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« on: Oct 03, 2009, 07:58 AM »

This picture is the astronomy configuration by Carina Voyager for the moment of lunar rocket impact. My question being whether the debris (that planet Earth heads into) will contain a half-mile rock or bigger to cause the tectonic Armageddon fire and Flood of 6000-8000 feet.

Some online were saying this 2-ton blast was a nuclear, possibly not, they probably had read the nuclear equivalent of impact. That matters not, except United Nations treaty of no nukes in space. (Such a nuke could cause world war 3 for stupidity.)

Earth speed math = 93 million miles from sun x2 for diameter / pi = 584.6 million mile path /8766 hours per year = 66,690 mph

The moon is 240,000 miles away so it may seem that at 66,700mph the Earth would hit the debris in 3.6 days. However, the debris is also moving in the same direction as the moon in orbit. The only thing for certain, is that it is in our path ahead of us not behind us. That's using your brains NASA. Other than pieces which blast out toward Earth, those moving forward will stretch the time before impact which would allow for 40-day prophecy that the saints COULD willingly sacrifice themselves to a slaughter by Obama and then still appear in flesh to their church for exactly 40 days to impact. But only a divine message could make them see this, to do this, or know what day that impact would be. Yom Kippur Sep 27 to Nov 6 has failed, I was too chicken to be like John the Baptizer as the goat given to Azazel (the devil), though it is clear that some seem to think both goats of Yom Kippur are Jesus. I fail to see how Yom Kippur is fulfilled in Jesus and I expected it to be by the bride, who hasn't done so. So it could be perhaps like Noah's 40 days after his death Dec 24 to Feb 2. But do not regard this as my saying there will be an impact on Feb 2.
This is shared thought.

THIS IS MY LAST POTENTIAL PICKING OF ANY ARMAGEDDON DATE FOR 2009. What I received in 1983 has no possible further fulfillment, the lunar dates of Aratxerxes allows two years 32nd year to complete 32 years, has both an ascension year method as 1st year, and literal years counted with his first calendar new year.

Egyptian New Year Thoth = 443 BC Julian Dec 12
Persian Zoroastrian Thoth = 443 BC Julian Dec 17
(2009 Julian Dec 12 and 17 are our Gregorian Dec 25 and 30)
So the 32nd year ends Dec 29 and Nehemiah's 12 years then
cease to be fulfilled by the WatchTower Society's mothering and caretaking of the last saints who have taken of the bread and wine claiming that only they go to heaven just as Jesus claimed only he was going to heaven... and they hated him for that, and they killed him for that, because they insisted they all had their loved family in heaven. But if their martyr deaths does send survivors to head to the mountains, and only those survivors have the future voice to raise all who have died, then all will owe the whole body of Christ for life eternal on Earth from Abel to Enoch to Noah to Abram to Moses to David to Nehemiah to Jesus to all the saints who retained truth.... because without that path all would be eternally dead from this event in 2009. So all will bend knee with no choice but to say yes, it is true, none would have been alive now in year 3009 had it not been all these who defied the wrong authorities like older brother Cain and older brother Esau.... do hear that, oh older Big Brother Obama. You could stop this impact, and you don't.


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« Reply #1 on: Oct 05, 2009, 04:43 PM »

Perhaps it's possible that the theological assumptions upon which these conclusions are based are not accurate.
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« Reply #2 on: Oct 05, 2009, 07:11 PM »

For the years of Artaxerxes to be 51 years from 474 BC he had to be the only Persian king who enforced the Persian Zoroastrian calendar to be used in all public and civil records which existed 1513-388 BC. Doing so makes year 41 not his last year but a celebration of 1460 years of 1894 BC Babylon.

Thus 474-431 BC ending his 32nd year is equivalent to Jubilee or 7 weeks of restoration by Daniel as 1976-2009 AD, from the time that Haman's attack started against Esther for being the true Jewish queen of the Persian king versus an arrogant Vashti.

If we apply parallel with Egyptian calendar the date will be Julian Dec 12 being our Dec 25. But if we apply Zoroastrian dates as Arataxerxes used, then the date is Julian Dec 17 being our Dec 29. This is only in parallel because the actual Egyptian calendar without leap days has a new year of Apr 21 for 2009 and 2010, and Zoroastrian new year April 26.
It would seem to me improper to claim the 32nd year began 2009 April 26 instead of the Dec 17 of 2008. The reason being is that if we take years without leap days, then the Jubilees would lose 1.5 years since Persia and everything that I found in aligned dates would then be that 1 or 2 years off.

IS THERE A GAME OCCURING BETWEEN GOD
Did you ever watch JASON AND THE ARGONAUTS, it poses the questions of whether the gods manipulate man as a chess game. (Jehovah versus Satan, which the Hindu see as the same God = Brahma versus Siva as a Ying Yang that Noah joined in between as VishNu. Indeed we were manipulated by that tsunami, we got manipulated by hurricane Katrina, and they do have names. Others think that these forces did what God wants as if we need not bother to take warning and escape so as to live. No one believes that we in the flesh can escape death forever continually... many quote scripture as saying sown in CORRUPTION, but they fail to understand that means our sin. It is not saying God's creation of living things in flesh is faulty and therefore has the divine road to heaven as if spirits do not age or shrink or wither and die if separated from obedience to the spirit of God. This theory or concept is why I attempt to see that game or that goal or purpose and to predict with no more intention than a weatherman. Yet my trips to Ararat have always gotten the reply that they think I am running up a mountain so far away for the global water that's coming. They see anything I do, not as my desire to help a world I hate into having some survivors, but rather as me trying to buy heaven, or save myself, or no the future to boast when right, or glorify me, or save my own life from it, or pass thru into the world's idea of salvation from hell or in heaven. Sheesh. Sigh. Exasperation.

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« Reply #3 on: Oct 05, 2009, 07:32 PM »

But perhaps the whole idea of a second global flood is on shaky ground.  And the whole bride sacrifice concept isn't really reflected in scripture anywhere.  This could explain why forecasts based on these concepts are finding no actual fulfillment.
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« Reply #4 on: Oct 05, 2009, 07:54 PM »

I beleive the opposite of the WatchTower Society who beleives that Babylon the religions will be destroyed by politics in a single hour and then when they come after the church as saints and the flesh that Jehovah steps in.
I beleive the opposite, that like Jesus it is the death of the saints who walk into it like Jesus does, and the churches cannot resist killing them, so this results in the wars that close up all the churches. While world chaos occurs, we get hit by asteroid and only the flesh saved by the death of the church (saints) head to the mountains the way Moses led the way out of Egypt.

YOUR words of second global Flood is not correct. In comparing equatorial orbital ring theories to a sphere resting on the atmosphere the Creationism lacks the ability to claim that the layers of the Grand Canyon were built one by one by one by the same Flood that carved these layers whether thru all of them at once, or after each layer was compressed and hardened by that Flood. Simply put, the days of creation were long enough in years (like 7000 years each, from the time a global ocean had formed before Day 1) to have these layers built to create floatable continents on the magma mantle, and so the layers were created by rise and fall, up out of the water, and back down into the water, until on day 3 each impact of asteroid was causing drop down into the water and back up out of it. This process of up and down are a year long global flood 5 months down and 8 months up each time a layer is built. Thus several or many global floods. By layers of the grand canyon, in the 42,000 years before Adam we have had 9 to 13 global floods. So this is only the second one within human existence.

Jacob was wrong about Darwinism creating spots on sheep by seeing spots while eating. So too Moses and Noah was wrong to think no more global canopy meant no more ocean Flood. However, mountain height proves they can not fall below sea level if they drop for 1-2 miles. They cannot drop lower than land surface to ocean floor, and that leaves hundreds of mountains above sea level for a year.

I do not beleive I will die with these saints as the two goats died the same day as Yom Kippur. I beleive the goat given to Azazel the devil was not also Jesus as both goats but rather was John who was killed first as the first goat. I still await my death by whatever triggers it soon. I have nothing to live for, and I knew that when I recognized in 1983 that my ability to grasp was a thing hated by people, no friends, no wife, no kids, disowned family. And things I did to stand out were not always the smartest... um like Jerry Springer was a very bad idea.
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« Reply #5 on: Oct 06, 2009, 04:30 AM »

I beleive the opposite of the WatchTower Society who beleives that Babylon the religions will be destroyed by politics in a single hour and then when they come after the church as saints and the flesh that Jehovah steps in.
I beleive the opposite, that like Jesus it is the death of the saints who walk into it like Jesus does, and the churches cannot resist killing them, so this results in the wars that close up all the churches. While world chaos occurs, we get hit by asteroid and only the flesh saved by the death of the church (saints) head to the mountains the way Moses led the way out of Egypt.

Lots of people believe lots of different things.  People dream up many schemes that sound good to them, and their search is over until it fails them and they dream up another scheme.  People think and do what is right in their own eyes, and try to persuade others that they are a guide.

YOUR words of second global Flood is not correct. In comparing equatorial orbital ring theories to a sphere resting on the atmosphere the Creationism lacks the ability to claim that the layers of the Grand Canyon were built one by one by one by the same Flood that carved these layers whether thru all of them at once, or after each layer was compressed and hardened by that Flood. Simply put, the days of creation were long enough in years (like 7000 years each, from the time a global ocean had formed before Day 1) to have these layers built to create floatable continents on the magma mantle, and so the layers were created by rise and fall, up out of the water and back down into the water, until on day 3 each impact pf asteroid was causing drop down into the water and back up out of it. This process off up and down are a year long global flood 5 months down and 8 months up each time a layer is built. Thus several or many global floods. By layers of the grand canyon, in the 42,000 years before Adam we have had 9 to 13 global floods. So this is only the second one within human existence.

With such unassailable proofs, I must admit I was completely wrong.  God will break his covenant and visit a global flood upon the earth, killing most of mankind, rainbow promise notwithstanding.  Though the hermeneutics leading to this conclusion are still mysterious to me.  It is enough that geology is trumping scripture.  The hard science you offer cannot be refuted.

Jacob was wrong about Darwinism creating spots on sheep by seeing spots while eating. So too Moses and Noah was wrong to think no more global canopy meant no more ocean Flood.

Now I understand why we can't rely on scripture, because the writers of it often got things wrong.  They shouldn't have been so impressed with the rainbow.  They didn't realize it was just a prism effect.

However, mountain height proves they can not fall below sea level if they drop for 1-2 miles. They cannot drop lower than land surface to ocean floor, and that leaves hundreds of mountains above sea level for a year.

I do not beleive I will die with these saints as the two goats died the same day as Yom Kippur. I beleive the goat given to Azazel the devil was not also Jesus as both goats but rather was John who was killed first as the first goat. I still await my death by whatever triggers it soon.

Judging by some of your descriptions of your diet and a photograph of you eating at a greasy spoon, the trigger may already be at work in your body.  I used to eat that way too.  But I have dropped my weight from 284 to 215, cleaning up my diet and doing regular exercise.  It's a real danger for people approaching middle age.  But if one is not concerned with reaching old age...

I have nothing to live for, and I knew that when I recognized in 1983 that my ability to grasp was a thing hated by people, no friends, no wife, no kids, disowned family. And things I did to stand out were not always the smartest... um like Jerry Springer was a very bad idea.

I don't think it's sound doctrine to claim one has nothing to live for for 26 years.  God has better plans for those who seek him out, I think.
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« Reply #6 on: Oct 06, 2009, 05:14 AM »

The remark was within context, as in I am no great loss to die.

Further, your mockeries are not without notice as being mockeries. I could say to you that the rainbow is NOT a prism effect and that Jehovah creates every single rainbow personally in every location with no science causing it. I could say that you are disgusting just to even imply or speak the words that the rainbow is caused by prism instead of by God. The accusations of saying that any man is NOT of God are prevalent in every person against others. And this is why the others will claim a person critiques to elevate yourself above those you critique. Those accusing the crime are guilty greater in themselves. Even I in some fields critique others who are less guilty as I am, but I see its because I hate that crime within me; I do not critique to make mine as less.

The rainbow does promise; its promise is not that of no more flooding, because we still have flooding, and to what extent are you going to put God Jehovah against his own scientific creations rather than understand Jehovah's science of his creations. What you are saying and teaching is that the actual science that speaks to us (and I do not mean schools because they are political games like the churches and temples became), and that this is the voice of God, not some whisper or boom that only a special person hears. Every person CAN become a special person hearing and seeing God Jehovah. But it is a process of sorting true sight from mistaken sight. Jehovah DOES create mistaken sight; he makes the sun appear to come out of the ocean or the ground. The devil does not create this vision, Jehovah does. But it is the devil who will make a school of that claim.

Regarding that rainbow, how much flooding that we get each year do you require to say is not global. 3000 miles of Asian coastline would disagree on your claim the world hasnt been flooded again that day. The mountains will not go under, they are higher than they've ever been, or does that not disqualify your claim that its a break of the rainbow covenant to Flood over most mountains or up to their bases. In which case, where is the line you claim differs from global Flood to partial flood, is it 50%. You fail to see that Ezekiel said the king would not see Babylon. He was preaching that the good from Jerusalem must come to Babylon, and that did not include the king. The bad would stay there and die. It is the man who felt the king would die, but his written words came true because he didnt write down the word die, he wrote will not see, and the king was blinded so  it came true. The word of Jehovah from a man's lips is not always the word the man intended. As I stated since Sep 12 that Jehovah covered my error, I have committed no crime being on Ararat Aug 30 and 31 because the permit says Eylul 12-19 which is wrongly translated as September by the Turkish government, it is not September (the 9th month whose name means 7th month), the Jews and others still use Elul as the 12th month which is 6th from Nisan and Elul 12 and 13 was Aug 30 and 31 when I went up to fulfill the 3rd trip of Moses by Elijah. To say I have still erred because the permit was not in hand, is then also to say that Jesus the church leader did not erase sin or crime when healing the soldiers ear and that he and his group as sinners and criminals should still be executed for cutting it off.

I also find it odd that had I not prayed and begged to be released from the agony of this Ararat trip, that when I got there I would have found that the Kurdish authorities evacuated a site (on last day of permit) created by the Randall Price team who were digging 16 feet down to the top of the ark and had left behind a housing structure that would have been for me to stay in had i finished what I was sent to do. The surface above the ark was surfacing water from something under it melting the ice. I never showed up, i had turned around, and the snows of September came and buried the hole and the camp. They claim they are going back in Oct, I asked in email to be part of the team, and they do not answer.

Here are the video taken by Holt Condren.
http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=2bigcreek&search_type=&aq=f

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=65DhQm_3ZGM

The point I make is not 20/20 hindsight look what i beleive; or look i was there and would-a could-a should-a; but FOR YOU to know you should trust in Jehovah because he is there, when you think not, and the reward is there ahead of  you, so do not turn back (or slack behind) like Lot's wife did.

I woke up from dreaming last night that the WatchTower had space technology stock that opposers post online is to be regarded as a military stain on the saints. Yet NASA has changed its crater to impact to one that is hidden by a lunar mountain, and I dreamed that Daniel told the WatchTower to cut a stone from the mountain and to cast it upon the nations to destroy them. These dreams like you said are from what ever is in the mind tossed around while sleeping. Jacob dreamed the sheep did not have spots from his putting spots in front of their eyes. That dream came from data he was starting to realize. People do not realize what it truly means to say that everyone's dreams is a process of Jehovah in our brain. It doesnt mean God is using us, or that we must make something of the dream that is not there.

So the truth of the rainbow not existing before Flood didnt mean it was the last Flood. It meant it could not globally rain again with no global sphere of water up there anymore. It is an issue of whether global rain could cause global Flood. It cant because it is not there. But even then when it did rain (40 feet enough to drown most people and most animals and most life),  it was not the mere 40 feet of rain water (half inch per hour) that covered the mountains. Do not argue this point by WORDS OF GOD because it is like arguing that God says every breather must be on the ark, so then do you say two whales were on the ark too? Otherwise you claim all that water was a miracle that appeared and then vanished. Before you claim the Nile was actual blood then prove the moon will turn into a ball of liquid blood. These are archeological issues in that everyone attempts to explain by interpreting any (and every) written word. But they fail too realize when they have left that word into far out left field. They have no spirit of God Jehovah to pull them back to within the word, as it did Jacob. I do. I do not say Jacob was wrong, scripture said he was wrong. Scripture says he created Darwinism. Scripture also says by John that Peter was wrong in saying John would not die. Yet I do not hear you saying to John that he is telling us the inspired words of Peter are wrong, or that Peter knows what Jesus said to him, and so not for John to reinterpret, so as to mean John is not appointed with spirit, because he says Peter is wrong, which could also be then claimed to say Jesus is wrong as Peter quotes him. This is petty to argue truth by words rather than to see truth.  It directly says BUT JESUS DID NOT SAY THIS THAT JOHN WOULD NEVER DIE, BUT SAID THAT IT WAS UP TO JESUS IF HE WANTED JOHN TO STAY meaning Peter mind your own damn business, I am speaking to you Peter whether you love me or not, I am not questioning whether John loves me. If you knew the Gilgamesh texts which were copied into hundreds, they to have Gilgamesh saying to Noah that Noah will never die, Lord you will never die (said to Jesus by Peter days earlier when Jesus did die, and now again by Peter saying that John will not die). This Peter has a real problem if he keeps telling people that they won't die.
 Thus whether Pharisees or Peter we become a person who feels they have to single out one person to attack and refute in our zeal that we are defending God, I have been there, I have done this too.
 Are you?



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« Reply #7 on: Oct 06, 2009, 09:31 PM »

...and the waters shall no more become a flood to destroy all flesh.  --Genesis 9:15b

But Elijah disagrees, citing a technicality that all flesh wont die from a future global flood.  But all flesh didn't die in Noah's flood either.  So the intended meaning of "all flesh" is a plainly relative term, and not woodenly literal one.  Your "Elijah" flood would be of a similar scale as Noah's flood, i.e. global in scope.  The covenant of the rainbow clearly indicates God isn't going to do that again. 

This explains why your forecasts never happen, because they demand that God break his covenant.  It surprises me that someone would even suggest such a thing in the first place.  God wouldn't come within a hundred trillion miles of even appearing to break the rainbow covenant.  He would never sail so close to the wind like some pharisee searching for the fine print.  God keeps the spirit of his covenants and is no pharisee.
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« Reply #8 on: Oct 07, 2009, 06:59 AM »

This is a case of WHATEVER.
What is Armageddon if not global.
What is Armageddon if it doesnt destroy all flesh again.
Is a God worth anything if his covenant doesnt save all life as you claim Jesus does, and yet makes issue (your issue as God's holy servant) and says I WILL NEVER DESTROY LIFE BY WATER EVER AGAIN, oh I'll do it with fire so I keep my word. You actually think whether it is fire or water is of more import than whether all life dies; or is this a case of you denying the biblical fact of global Armageddon being exactly what the Flood was ...  to end a bad world again.

That's the whole point, you hung yourself with your own rope, because you stress there will be no more water for the whole Earth, you choose to define such scenerio as being global, and yet you fail to see that it is YOU that ignores the exact quote. You insist on an exact quote for the global water, yet you flippantly toss out the exact quote for the words that say ALL flesh was killed. Not only do we know the flesh on the ark was saved, but so were animals like whales who are flesh, are breathers (souls who breathe air), and yet the BIble says ALL flesh died. If all flesh did not die when the water covered the mountains, where do you think all flesh will die this time when the waters do not cover the mountains. You have a bigger issue with your explaining how God pretends to have destroyed all flesh so he can say he'll never do it again, than the issue I have by noting the mountains do not make it global this time.

I would rather act to a siren for a tornado that never comes, than ignore it as another farce and die by one. There are bigger things than tornadoes, a siren for hurricanes, one for volcanoes, one for tsunami. I rather send off a potential siren than have them dead from that predicted. In florida and texas people leave, and come back to an undamaged house, then they stay for the 4th hurricane and cry calling 911 expecting paid workers to come save them. Cheer Cheer to the Houton mayor who said save you after the storm passes.

And then you fail to read other things I posted such as the fact God's kingdom was to be born and never destroyed, and yet Nebuchadnezzar came to destroy it like those two men Ezekiel & Jeremiah said, and the Romans again came too destroy God's ETERNAL kingdom as Jesus said. They failed to see the kingdom was of spirit not flesh, and that spirit can be given to Christian Gentiles where Jews would have to join THEM, becaus ethe Christians are the adopted sons of the Christ Jew Jesus decendent of Abram so that his children live not those of Abram's flesh, because JESUS is Jewish flesh, we don't have to be.

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This is a case of WHATEVER.
What is Armageddon if not global.
What is Armageddon if it doesnt destroy all flesh again.
Is a God worth anything if his covenant doesnt save all life as you claim Jesus does, and yet makes issue (your issue as God's holy servant) and says I WILL NEVER DESTROY LIFE BY WATER EVER AGAIN, oh I'll do it with fire so I keep my word. You actually think whether it is fire or water is of more import than whether all life dies; or is this a case of you denying the biblical fact of global Armageddon being exactly what the Flood was ...  to end a bad world again.

Jesus contradicts your statements.  It is best we let the Bible be our guide rather than trust our own imagination. 

And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.   --Matthew 24:22
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« Reply #10 on: Oct 07, 2009, 03:47 PM »

This scripture has to be interpreted with the purchasing power of the blood of Jesus. Jesus does not purchase all flesh at the same time. He clearly says not only does he have a little flock and other sheep not of the same fold, but he also distinguishes them as a bride who becomes wife in heaven and children who become flesh on earth... not just saved as flesh on earth, but all the dead who return to life in the flesh. All cultures on earth speak of going to heaven at death, but they also speak of the flesh coming back to life on earth.

If you understood the blood of Jesus, those who are given heaven must all prove faithful until death before the flesh can be purchased. The wife must successfully be obtained and she must prove virgin or faithful before the children are allowed to be born... the survival thru Armageddon and all the dead resurrected as the child of that marriage in heaven.

Therefore the scripture seriously becomes tested as to whether it means the saving of the elect chosen to take  heaven, or the saving of the elect flesh on earth. Is the flesh on earth as the child chosen as elect before the bride even proves faithful. Is purchasing her worth anything if she is not required to become completely married in union in heaven before the child can come to be legitimate. The marriage license on earth must successfully complete itself in heaven or a child of flesh on earth is jumping into a pregnancy before the wedding consumation of the whole heavenly elect. This means the child of flesh may have been chosen before the bride is complete, but that child cannot be born into the next new world unless that bride is whole in heaven. It is phase 2 of the christ body which has yet a phase 3 to perfection, where no Christ is needed any longer because scripture says Christ returns all that he has gathered back to the Father to rule all as the father's whole wife including Jesus himself once again. This allows the future to have another type of creation if that whole wife... Jesus, and angels, and all of us, have another new type of creation to raise and nurish if God chooses to continue to move on forward creating things never before imagined.... neither spirit nor human. So does the days get shortened to save the elect to take to heaven? That could be very tacky! Why would he miraculaously save the elect for heaven whon no other person has ever been miraculaously saved from martyrdom. His own Son he did not save from a court death. Yet he actually saved his Son in spirit and in soul in this way, he did bring his son back to life which is saving him. And that soul or mind had been tested to prove the most faithful being of all in the universe proving that both angel and man CAN DO IT, and unexcused because they dont want to. Another factor is that all who have gone to heaven have lost their flesh, they dropped their flesh, they tossed out theri flesh. So God saves not their flesh because they lose that to go to heaven, It makes no sense to save their flesh any more than to save the flesh of Jesus who said while dying he could call out to have it saved. So then what flesh is saved. Jesus gave the answer when dying. He said the woman dies to save the child she will give birth to. She is willing to die now, not wait for old age, because she knows someone must save the flesh thru Armageddon. Not her flesh, but the flesh of her child. So she dies. She cuts short her own days before any proof or Armageddon actually hits the Earth, and she does this with great faith because she knows all will die and none be saved if she doesnt giver up her life first. She has nothing to lose to walk into the same suicide that Jesus walked into because she goes to heaven. But if she doesnt do this, test Obama to see if thru him that Satan will slaughter that bride, then no one will survive this disaster. This court case her in The New City is what sends the sheep scattering from that death and they go to the mountains. Like the apostles? NO. Like the apostles they go back to their jobs first, thinking the elect are dead. But they appear 40 days in flesh. Will Obama kill the elect? Did Pontius want to, or did he wash his hands because the churches wanted Jesus Christ dead. There is not one church in the world who does not want to jump on the gathered elect and kill them. They all want to kill the elect out of mere jealousy for being the only ones alive on earth left to go to heaven. You cannot stop this slaughter if the elect do gather together in one assembly. BUT it will cut short the days of the world rolling forward, because all those churches will alos be killed then when the nations are enraged that the USA dared to kill a visa visitation of citizens from their countries. And others will regard it as their hour for their church as the alternative Christ.

So the days are not shortened to SAVE the elect. They are not shortened to save their FLESH. The elect are those of heaven, not those of the flesh on earth BECAUSE the flesh on earth are not purchased directly by the blood of Jesus. Jesus buys his bride, and then sacrifices her like Esther going to get killed by entering the house of Ahasuerus (as does Easter Venus enters the Sun as is reborn), theri blood as a christ couple married is what now uys the flesh.
This is why only the bride in heaven could give a sole sign of rasing one person from the dead as I had wished, more so as a sign for the elect, than for a sign for me, or for the sheep flesh children, or even the whole world.
I know I am not good at this role given to me. I did not choose this role. Or if I did choose it by what I promised, I had a big mouth like Peter thinking I would do for Christ as he too said.
But I cant. My feet are not worth standing on the ground before such a one much less to christen or baptize that one as his wife wthrough the words uttered from me.

Still ELIJAH
He too said I am no better than before.
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« Reply #11 on: Oct 07, 2009, 04:02 PM »

I don't see any relevance to the point.  You said Armageddon will destroy all flesh, and Jesus said it won't (because the days of it will be shorten).  And Jesus mentions no water flood, by the way, but other disasters instead.

That's really the end of it right there.  Jesus has ruled on this issue a long time ago already.  People should first consult what He says on a topic before manufacturing views that end up contradicting Him.
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« Reply #12 on: Oct 09, 2009, 07:48 PM »

Fact one, Jesus said flee to the mountains. Why, if the rest of the Earth is equally as safe. Fact two, he said Jerusalem would be surrounded, but there is also a false New City (a Babylon wanting to be Jerusalem), and a true New City (the real Christian Jerusalem). It will be surrounded. The question is which one will be surrounded first, Babylon as in Revelation meaning religion becomes at global odds with nations, or is the first one surrounded to be the christian city the way that Jesus was surrounded in Passover 33 AD at the age of 33.5 and 33.5 years before 66 AD Yom Kippur.

Next, you claim that flesh will be saved at Armageddon as the words of Jesus, and you claim that at the Flood that God said he had destroyed all flesh [but he hadnt, he saved 8 people, and he also saved breathers (souls) like whales without an ark or human to save them]. The point is not Bible picking as if to prove it false, nor pipcking on you, nor picking on me (though you truly are), but rather that the truth of things are relative to perspective. You must find the relative view oor relationship of that truth. I have found it, in the only way possible for things to be true. But you feel that the majority common opinion of the words out weighs the true science that God Jehovah reveals.... versus science people claim but is false. Science is like religion it has its truth and then it has its false schools. Life and survival is in truth only.

So now truth. Watching video, and listening, the communication with the public is late, because only now after impact do i hear the public statement that it is the plume not the crater that was expected to be 6 miles across (and failed to be). Also only now do they say that the moon is hit by rocks this size once a week every week. Hmmm That's cool to know. It implies this will not cause the rock of God cut from heaven. But don't know.

Next, I must say impact would ascend straight out and not in a plume. A plume is billows of churning debris as it attempts to push up against the air that the moon does not have. Further, if this happens once a week, we wpould have seen plumes from the natural asteroids. So again, NASA is not thinking at all on this.



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« Reply #13 on: Oct 09, 2009, 08:56 PM »

Further, if this happens once a week, we wpould have seen plumes from the natural asteroids. So again, NASA is not thinking at all on this.

How do you think they know the moon is hit by these objects every week?  Amateurs need at least a 10 inch telescope to see them.  I imagine NASA does better than that.
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« Reply #14 on: Oct 09, 2009, 11:16 PM »

I repeat, if NASA hits the moon with a 2 ton impact and expects a 6 mile plume, and they say that every week a natural 2 ton rock hits the moon, then where are these plumes that no one sees. Someone is lying to say that these rocks are hitting, if there are no plumes yet they expect one from their rocket. Now the rocket hits and they get no plume because there is no air. What goes.
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