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Ever wonder why there are so many references (hidden and overt) to Moon deities in ancient (even modern) lore?  It appears that the various Moon deities (or perhaps many names for one deity) were omnipresent in so-called biblical days.  We're talking about Nannar of the Sumerians, Yerah/Yeru of Ugarit, Sin patron of Harran, Kusuh of the Hurrians, Ilumquh of the Sabeans of Yemen, Soma of the Indo-Aryans, Yaho - and many others - even mellow ol' El.

http://www.dhushara.com/book/orsin/sin.jpg

For starters, let's have a look at digs of Abram (Ab-Ram = Ab-Sin = Moon Father).  He is supposed to have come from Ur, which was a cult center for, guess what, the Moon deity.  It appears, however, that his family's digs were at Harran, another Moon-cult center, which is where he and his siblings returned to after a flap occurring at Ur.   Even ol' Jacob returned to Harran and spent fourteen years there looking for a wife/wives.

So, where does Abram journey from Harran?  Well, off he goes to Zedek/Zadek, which is now called Jeru-Salem (as in "Peace of the Moon Deity") where he meet Melchi-Zedek.  Also in the area is Jeri-cho/Yeru-hoo) city of the Moon deity.  That wasn't far from the Sin-ai (Land of the Moon Deity). 

Interestingly enough, the name of the 18th Dynasty Pharoah Ahmose I who chased the Hyksos out means "The Moon Deity Is Born" - Iah/Yah being a name of the Egyptian Moon deity (Have a look at:
http://www.touregypt.net/featurestories/yah.htm
Sounds a lot like the first part of 'Yahweh' doesn't it?  That ain't by accident.  Ever hear the term 'Hallelu Yah' yelled out by the Fundies?  Huh . . . "Yah"?

Associations with the Moon deity were often designated by putting 'horns' on the figure to represent the crescent moon - even good ol' _____Moses.  See:
http://www.dhushara.com/book/orsin/horned.jpg AND:
http://www.dhushara.com/book/orsin/merbah.jpg
So, who sez only Boogermen have horns?

Of course, the crescent moon can still be found on almost everything Muslim.  Moon worship was extremely common among the Arab peoples long before 'The Prophet.'  In fact, the term "al-ilah" is far older than Islam.  In olden days, Allah, the moon god, was married to the sun goddess. Together they produced three goddesses who were called "the daughters of Allah." These three goddesses were called Al-Lat, Al-Uzza, and Manat.  There was once a statue of this Moon deity at Mecca and all the Moon-worshipping Arab people bowed toward Mecca to pray - long before Muhammed made the scene.

Finally, let's have a look at the place the Yahwist scribes inserted a reference to YHWH being the same as El:  (e.g. “I am Yahweh”, Gen. 15:7). So far it simply looks as though God has a bunch of names, but in Exodus 6:3 YHWH tells Moses, “and I appeared to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob as El Shaddai, but by My name, Yahweh, I did not make Myself known to them."   What's the deal here?  The deal is the struggle between the Yahwists and the Elohists - that's the deal.

I'm not even mentioning the flap between the Yahwists and the Elohists after the death of Solomon, when Jeroboam led the northern ten tribes out of alliance with Judah.  I'll deal with that some other time.

Anyway, there could hardly be a greater difference between the two deities: El the mellow Caananite deity and Yahweh, the desert deity of the Arabian Penninsula.  Contrasting El with the ill-natured, mysogynistic Yahweh, reminds me of a quote by comedian Lewis Black: "Yahweh was a real Prick!"

To put it in a nutshell, Moon-worship was the primary religion of the ancient world.  Its implications still exist today.  Although theologians try to tap-dance around that fact, it simply won't go away. 
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« Reply #1 on: Aug 25, 2009, 11:06 AM »

Ever wonder why there are so many references (hidden and overt) to Moon deities in ancient (even modern) lore?  It appears that the various Moon deities (or perhaps many names for one deity) were omnipresent in so-called biblical days.  We're talking about Nannar of the Sumerians, Yerah/Yeru of Ugarit, Sin patron of Harran, Kusuh of the Hurrians, Ilumquh of the Sabeans of Yemen, Soma of the Indo-Aryans, Yaho - and many others - even mellow ol' El.

http://www.dhushara.com/book/orsin/sin.jpg

For starters, let's have a look at digs of Abram (Ab-Ram = Ab-Sin = Moon Father).  He is supposed to have come from Ur, which was a cult center for, guess what, the Moon deity.  It appears, however, that his family's digs were at Harran, another Moon-cult center, which is where he and his siblings returned to after a flap occurring at Ur.   Even ol' Jacob returned to Harran and spent fourteen years there looking for a wife/wives.

So, where does Abram journey from Harran?  Well, off he goes to Zedek/Zadek, which is now called Jeru-Salem (as in "Peace of the Moon Deity") where he meet Melchi-Zedek. 

So that would be Melchi-Zedek, king of the moon or moon king?  I thought it was spelled Melchi-Tsedek, King of Righteousness?  Silly me.

I think even a Hebrew 101 course would prevent people from falling into such goofiness.
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« Reply #2 on: Aug 25, 2009, 04:23 PM »

Tap-dancing around the real essence of the post, are we?  The term 'King of whatever' is an epithet, not a personal name.  Here, we get into a differing time-scale between Zedek = Jupiter, and Yeru = Moon, Zedek being the far older term.

Actually, in terms of astronomical names, originally in Hebrew Zedeck (oh forgive me, I left out the 't') actually meant "Jupiter" and the righteousness attached to Jupiter.  Therefore, Melchi-Zedek did mean King of Righteousness because it was the ancient righteousness of Jupiter.  Oh, dear, did I upset the ancient order of things?

also, does nit-picking make you feel superior?

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« Reply #3 on: Aug 25, 2009, 10:28 PM »

Actually, in terms of astronomical names, originally in Hebrew Zedeck (oh forgive me, I left out the 't') actually meant "Jupiter" and the righteousness attached to Jupiter.  Therefore, Melchi-Zedek did mean King of Righteousness because it was the ancient righteousness of Jupiter.  Oh, dear, did I upset the ancient order of things?

also, does nit-picking make you feel superior?

It seems your point about words is nothing but nit-picking.  E.g. You use the word "goodbye" don't you?  What's the etymology?  Oh dear...

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« Reply #4 on: Sep 03, 2009, 11:38 PM »

The scripture is been misinterpreted all the time.

Moses and horns one funny and ridicules misinterpretation.

The Hebrew word Karnaim - Makrin has two interpretations.
1. Radiating Waves - such as Sun beams or light beams.
2. Horns.

Moses was radiating and a beams of light coming out of his head. this was after a divine encounter with the Lord.


29 And it came to pass, when Moses came down from mount Sinai with the two tables of testimony in Moses' hand, when he came down from the mount, that Moses wist not that the skin of his face shone while he talked with him.

30 And when Aaron and all the children of Israel saw Moses, behold, the skin of his face shone; and they were afraid to come nigh him.

35 And the children of Israel saw the face of Moses, that the skin of Moses' face shone: and Moses put the vail upon his face again, until he went in to speak with him.

Why put vail over face? As Moses was beaming out light rays.

Not Horns OK.

 This image derives from a mistranslation of the Hebrew word qaran (H7160) in Exodus 34:29 (see also Ex 34:30,35) by Jerome in the Latin Vulgate. The Brown-Driver-Briggs Hebrew Lexicon says that this Hebrew verb means to:

                    1) (Qal) send out rays
                    2) (Hiphil) display (grow) horns (be fully developed).

As to Moon -

In general it is a big mistake to single out the moon as at that time Sun was also worshiped and the deity was Shamash and also other planets as well.

Tzedek was Jupiter and also Mercury was worshipped so it is a mistake in my opinion  to single out the Moon.

But I do agree that each planet and star had a God - associated with it.
There was a planet of Marduk as well.

As to Yahweh

He is the Lord or Lords of Lords and King of kings of kings.

El - was name of canaanite deity but it is also a word for God in Hebrew.
ElYah - means God Yhweh.

Hebrews every year celebrate Passover when they retell the exodus story and in one portion they say that their fathers worshiped Ellilim.
I'e false gods.

The Lord Yahweh was furious with the priests that stood with their backs to him worshiping Sun in the Temple of Solomon.
More than that - Obdey Kohavim - star worshipers.

Its well known that many temples in Egypt had star / planet observatories.

The Bible takes clear and strong stand against star / planet worshiping.

They noting more then lights and time keepers to know when are appointed times of the Lord. To now when days, moths and years to be calculated.
They important for these reasons mostly.

The worship of them strictly forbidden.







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