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« Reply #15 on: Jan 17, 2010, 03:47 AM »



Why, it seems like yesterday we were having this same pointless conversation on the Graham Hancock message boards.




So I presume you side with the archaeologists, who say that the United Monarchy simply did not exist, and the Tanakh is all myth?   Or perhaps you are a literalist, who says that archaeology is unimportant, and we should use Christian-style FAITH to prove (but only to ourselves) that the United Monarchy was real.

But above all, we should never allow any Egyptian influence.  No, no, no.


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« Reply #16 on: Jan 17, 2010, 04:17 PM »

Ralph, there's a HUGE difference between letting Egyptian realities inform one's understanding of certain biblical texts and passages (which I favor), and moving the whole kit and kaboodle into Egypt, where it clearly doesn't belong (which I don't).

Anytime a culture spends a certain amount of time inside the borders of another culture, influence is bound to flow both ways. This, in my understanding, explains why some passages of the Exodus stories, and some Psalms have a very Egyptian flavor.

But, by similar reasoning, the Hebrew exile into Babylonia in the 6th century BCE explains why there is also found a Babylonian flavor in other parts of the texts.

If EVERYTHING in the Hebrew Bible screamed  "Egypt! Egypt!", you'd have a case.

But it doesn't.
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« Reply #17 on: Mar 18, 2010, 05:01 AM »

II Chronicles 3:1 Then Solomon began to build the house of the Lord at Jerusalem...
The massive, phoenician style, stones found by Kathleen  Kenyon, and later re-discovered by Eilat Mazar in the City of David, form a tower which is associated with a four-chambered gate. The pottery found on the floor of the gate is from the early 10th century B.C.  Notice the similarities between the site of Khirbet Qeiyafa (specifically dated to King David's time) and the site of the City of David. A casemate wall was also found by Kenyon along the eastern edge of her site H in the City of David.
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« Reply #18 on: Mar 18, 2010, 05:06 PM »

I believe it is possible that the four-chambered gate in Jerusalem was built by King David and that the six-chambered gates found in Hazor, Megiddo and Gezer were built by his son, King Solomon (I Kings 9:15). So where is Solomon's six-chambered gate in Jerusalem? A close look at Warrens' charts show the characteristic courtyard wall in front of the east gate of the Temple Mount. The measurements match the other gates and this gate would have guarded the Temple built by Solomon.
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« Reply #19 on: Mar 23, 2010, 12:55 PM »

I believe it is possible that the four-chambered gate in Jerusalem was built by King David and that the six-chambered gates found in Hazor, Megiddo and Gezer were built by his son, King Solomon (I Kings 9:15).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n0Hd4J9ypzc&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hhdfiRND7tE&feature=related#t=15

1 Kings 6:36 And he built the inner court with three rows of hewed stone, and a row of cedar beams.
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« Reply #20 on: Mar 23, 2010, 08:00 PM »

Thank you for the information regarding Megiddo by David Rohl. I'm happy to see that others have noticed the three rows of hewed stone and a row of cedar beams there. Megiddo also produced remains of proto-aeolic capitals that had been incorporated in buildings constructed using ashlar masonry. Kathleen Kenyon found a beautiful proto-aeolic capital amid a tumble of Phoenician ashlars on the eastern slope of the City of David just north of the stepped- stone structure. A close look at Megiddo's gate shows a courtyard in front forcing visitors to enter from the side. Jerusalem's east gate of the Temple Mount has this same characteristic and I am convinced that Solomon built there.
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« Reply #21 on: Jul 14, 2010, 01:46 PM »

The Egyptian connection


http://www.edfu-books.com/sheba.html


Biblical Leaders      Historical Pharaohs
    
Ezron (Hezron)     Ramesses
Ram                       Ramesses
Amminadab           Amen-Nesbanebdjed (Smendes)
Nahshon                   Nemneshu (Amenemnishu)
Salmon                   Siamun
Boaz                    Bas-Uasorkon
Obed                    Amenemopet
Jesse                    Harsiese
David                   Psusennes II

There are some equivalent names in both the historical chronology of Egypt and the Biblical chronology of the United Monarchy – indeed the two royal lines appear to mimic each other remarkably well. But there is a problem with this suggestion, because the pharaonic king-list ends up with a pharaoh called Psusennes, whereas the Biblical chronology results in King David. 

And Solomon made a marriage alliance with Pharaoh king of Egypt, and took Pharaoh’s daughter, and brought her into the city of David. (1Ki 3:1)

there is the strange case of the chief architects of this era. The Bible indicates that the chief architect of King David and King Solomon was called Hiram Abi, who is the same individual as is it mentioned and revered in the Masonic world as Hiram Abif. Meanwhile, if we search though the historical record, it can be seen that the chief architect of the pharaoh Psusennes II was called Herum Atif. Again this investigation has discovered the same name for the same individual in two ‘completely separate’ royal dynasties.

It is apparent that the historical and Biblical records precisely agree on a number of names and positions within these two royal dynasties of the tenth century BC, and all of these characters were known to have lived just one generation before the pharaoh Sheshonq I (Bib. Shishak) came to the throne. Perhaps it is worth listing these individuals for clarity.

Biblical name           Egyptian name    Rank or position
King David (Duat)   King Psusennes (Duat)   A king who                  .                                                            reigned before Shishak
Maakhah Tamar   Maakhare Mu-Tamhat   A daughter of  the above king
Joab   Un-joab-endjed (Joab)   An army commander of the above king
Hiram Abi(f)   Herum Atif   A chief architect of the above king and his son

  Judaic United Monarchy of King David was actually one and the same as the Lower Egyptian monarchy of the twenty-first and twenty-second dynasties. While this declaration in itself represents a major re-evaluation of both history and theology, this evidence also brings with it one further dramatic revelation.

A number of excavations have been conducted in Egypt over the years. One of these discovered a cache of royal mummies at at Deir el-Bahri near Thebes, while the 1939 expedition of Pierre Montet discovered some untouched tombs within the temple enclosure at Tanis.

Is it entirely possible that the sarcophaguses and mummys of King David, King Solomon, Joab, Hiram Abif and the Queen of Sheba all now reside in the Cairo Museum?
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