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Question: In your own opinion, do you think the 'James, Brother of Jesus' ossuary was actually the ossuary of the Christian Bible New Testament Apostle James?
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« Reply #30 on: Mar 04, 2008, 03:10 PM »


What's an ossuary?

An ossuary is an interment instrument, a coffin of sorts, which is generally hewn from stone to form a box with a lid of the appropriate dimensions to contain the bones of a human skeleton after the flesh has deteriorated and the bones can be separated and neatly stacked inside it for 'permanent' storage in a dignified manner, allowing the tomb to be used multiple times, as a family mortuary for instance.

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(Hey I don't know how to create these polls
but maybe I should do a poll survey):

Is Elijah deluded?
o yes
o no
o undecided
o who's he
o isn't everyone
o whats deluded
o ask Rick J

Ahhh,,, let's try, 'none of the above'...

Nil illigetimi carborundum.
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« Reply #31 on: Mar 15, 2008, 10:47 AM »

just came across the ossuary article in BAS, totally impressed, and yes i would believe it genuine, but i dont beleive any discovery of real science would convince Catholics Jesus had a brother. Fellow members could have easily posted the link to the BAS article which i came across only by coming into BAS this time thru the Main Door via Google. Change my vote from undecided to a definate yes now that i read the article and it presented others analysis of it as genuine for the period.

Seems to me everyone feels Gods works are to impress or be impressed, and they talk about others not impressed. Seems to me if you hate someone and wish to kill them after they heal an incurable, that somewhere an impression was made, they just refused to let it be a good one.

As for God's motive in all he does, i think people do too much intepreting for God and why he did it or does it. They should be willing to revise what they mistakenly thought was God's motive for anything that happens to us.
This forum has left the scientific aspect which should be and must be here to be archeological. Archeology is a science and if youre here to discard all science as secondary to God, then you dont belong here simply based on the fact that as a forum of science, if you outwardly claim science is null, then youre here only to disrupt it as science. I dont see that at peaceful even if you say Thanx or close with Peace or what ever smile you show after you stab. This should change, but only words can change a heart... and i agree that many hearts even Jesus' words have never changed.
Que Sera Que A Qui (Ya Ha Wa Ha)
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ELIJAH
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« Reply #32 on: Mar 25, 2008, 10:32 PM »

I don't want to  get into the bickering over this I saw in the first posts so haven't continued reading, but tonight I watched a special on Nat Geo where this was discussed and I agree with their findings.

The ossuary is real, and may in fact be that of Ya'akov ben Yosef and one and  the as Jesus' brother, but the have shown that  achi Yeshua was added later. This makes sense to me as I  am not aware of any other ossuary inscription that lists other than the father, not the brother, and  if listing brothers, why not all of them?

I also think money was secondary in posing this forgery.     
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« Reply #33 on: Feb 13, 2009, 12:17 PM »

The signature 'archeology' wrote: "the same with this ossuary, there is NO evidence connecting it or the bones with the Jesus of Nazereth, the Christ.  NOTHING but a name on a box and this leap to a conclusion is just a giant leap to an assumption which belongs to those people, like jacobovici, cameron and tabor, who have nothing better to do than cause trouble."

I will reply to the above paragraph.

Le-havdil (to differentiate),
The person who wants to research about a first century Jew must research first century sources, like the Dead Sea Scrolls 4Q MMT. There was a first century Jew named Ribi Yehoshua, from Natzrat (hellenized to Nazareth). To find information about the historical Ribi Yehoshua (the Messiah) who lived in Natzrat, we must study first century Jewish documents (for example Dead Sea Scroll 4Q MMT) and apply formal logic.

So let’s use the scientifically and logical method to demonstrate who the first century Jew Ribi Yehoshua was. It is not an assumption that Ribi Yehoshua from Natzrat was a Ribi (Not the same as “Rabbi”; see definition in our glossaries in the below website). He is called ‘Ribi Yeshua’ on the Talpiot Tomb to name one thing.

See www.netzarim.co.il ; “History Museum” (left menu); “Mashiakh”-section (top menu); Tapliot Tomb-section

Prof. of Statistics Andrey Feuerverger has demonstrated that, contrary to the mathematically-challenged critics of the Yaaqov ossuary, the chances that the ossuaries in the Talpiot Tomb aren't those of the family of the 1st-century Pharisee Ribi Yehoshua are 1:1600 (Feuerverger, Prof. Andrey – The Final Word, http://projecteuclid.org/aoas).

The assumptions he based his statistical analys on is correct. See our above website where we proof that his assumptions is correct.

Le-havdil (to differentiate), On the other hand we know that the Christian Jesus said things that contradict against Torah (for example Matt 28:19-20; Joh 3:16, et al.)

Logic dictates that we differentiate from two diametrically different concepts. That is: They are not the same person. The person stating they are the same has the burden of proof.

In the same way we know from documents as Dead Sea Scrolls 4Q MMT, that a first century Ribi (I proved above that Ribi Yehoshua died as a Ribi) can never had said some of the words in the Christian gospel Matthew.

That is one reason to that a reconstruction is needed. “The Netzarim Reconstruction of Hebrew Matityahu (NHM)” (see the Israel Mall in the left menu at our website).

The author of the post I answered wrote this: "you are goingtohave to come up with some very, very credible evidence to say that those bones belong to Jesus Christ.""

This post clearly shows that there is no historical person "Jesus Christ". Dead Sea Scrolls 4Q MMT clearly shows us that no first century person would have hade the permission to teach in the "synagouges" of the first century history that said things like those in Joh 3:16.

le-havdil, The research published in this post clearly shows that the tomb belongs to the historical Pharisee Ribi Yehoshua. The one who states otherwise has the burden of proofs on him/her.

You'll find significant documented historical information not published in the Christian world at www.netzarim.co.il

Finding the historical Jew, who was a Pharisee Ribi and following him brings you into Torah, which gives you a rich and meaningful life here on earth and great rewards in life after death (“heaven”)!

[Some quotes in this post: Paqid Yirmeyahu ha-Tzadiq]

Anders Branderud
Geir Toshav, Netzarim in Ra’anana
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