Revising The Egyptian Chronology

[Elijah]

I have read "Pharoahs and Kings" by David Rohl. I am convinced that he is right. What caused me to believe he was right was his use of astronomical retrocalulation in dating the Ugarit Eclipse. With only one candidate for dating the eclipse approx 1012 B.C. in May at sunset if memory serves,taking into account we know who was talking to who. It should be easy to prove or disprove his theory since only straight forward number crunching is required. I never thought Astrophysics could be used in this manner until I read his book.

Well, it might depend on the edition date of that book. Last year, Rohl and his camp decided not to use that so-called pivotal date in future editions as due to mistranslation, the eclipse is more adequately dated to 1375 B.C.E. and thus only some 22-25 years from the traditional reign of Akhenaten. Some astronomical dates for eclipses can be found here...

NASA - olar Eclipses of History

Now, if it turns out that it is not a total eclipse, then Rohl might be able to salvage that. However, it was not the original stance and much of his chronology depended upon it. It is truly a horrendous blow to his chronology and not one easily overcome. Cheers!

GRIN  i see i am not the only eliyahu   (touche') good job, i applaud you..... so if 1375 BC over rides 1012 BC, then how much do you wish to bet the 1513 BC exodus can be verified by the eclipse before 1375 BC. I like to play with calculators, such as add 18.6 years back to years i know are globally biblical... hmmm okay five times is 1468 BC, anyone care to check that year being that its the year Salem fell to Joshua in their last year of conquest. You havent given me a date, but what i would do is look for the supposed eclipse date in 1012 BC and look in 1375 BC, i would then be able to extrapolate what the date is from those two without knowing it and then see if that date is an eclipse in 1468 BC on my astronomy program. I'll tell you errors happen. Thompson uses a 99 and 98 BC that are actually -99 and -98 calculations (thus 100 BC and 99 BC). So you see, i dont require knowing much from you to get my footing and stand up, unlike my posts where if you are confused by me it is because the amount of data is overwhelmingly drowning. Hey what can you do when you beleive this year is it, going down quick, and youre only a breadth ahead of it this time, better prepared than when you thought it was going down in 1997.

[eliyahu hanavi]

GRIN  i see i am not the only eliyahu   (touche') good job, i applaud you..... so if 1375 BC over rides 1012 BC, then how much do you wish to bet the 1513 BC exodus can be verified by the eclipse before 1375 BC. I like to play with calculators, such as add 18.6 years back to years i know are globally biblical... hmmm okay five times is 1468 BC, anyone care to check that year being that its the year Salem fell to Joshua in their last year of conquest. You havent given me a date, but what i would do is look for the supposed eclipse date in 1012 BC and look in 1375 BC, i would then be able to extrapolate what the date is from those two without knowing it and then see if that date is an eclipse in 1468 BC on my astronomy program. I'll tell you errors happen. Thompson uses a 99 and 98 BC that are actually -99 and -98 calculations (thus 100 BC and 99 BC). So you see, i dont require knowing much from you to get my footing and stand up, unlike my posts where if you are confused by me it is because the amount of data is overwhelmingly drowning. Hey what can you do when you beleive this year is it, going down quick, and youre only a breadth ahead of it this time, better prepared than when you thought it was going down in 1997.

Haha...yeah, there can never be enough Elijah's out there! Anyway, there are naturally going to be eclipses during any given year, but it is not as easy as that. For instance, there were two Hybrid eclipses during 1468 B.C. but the paths do not seem close to Egypt (at a glance). There is also the matter of duration in such that if a text says there was darkness for several hours or days, then there is no eclipse that can be used in support of that as most are only a few minutes if that and even more rare still are those lasting up to about 7 minutes. The same holds true for 1513 B.C. as there are three Partials, but the paths do not appear to bring them over Egypt.

I have no particular qualms about the potential dates, but I believe that the so-called plagues were wrought by God and were supernatural. Certainly, some natural explanations sound convincing, but if all ten cannot be adequately explained, I have to believe that they were from God. Also, it would seem strange that they would not have known what an eclipse was.

As to being confused by your posts? Not really, but not willing to take the time to sort through all the different calendars you use. All that is needed is to reconcile your dates to one calendar (Gregorian most often) and to stick to those dates. Else, the posts are extremely difficult and disjointed and they seem to ramble. I dare say that any message you might wish to convey to others is being lost in the morass. That is not meant as an insult as I can see the amount of time you put into this. However, we don't need a deluge of dates and it only makes a reader tend to gloss-over your posts at best. Consider the above as friendly advice on how to spread your knowledge. Cheers!

[Elijah]

Sheesh a Google search proves everyone is at this eclipse game
grabbing every date to say they discovered the real date.
Well in one brief session i have found the prophet who had the answer.
(Do please allow me to admire the man who finds a true answer by me calling him prophet and also as WORD of God, God's truth.)
And I submit it in the next REPLY and hereby have here edited out all
my usual rambling that WAS here in this post.

Google it :  Sivan 26 (May 3 in 1375 BC), or 1063 BC or (May 9 in 1012 BC)

T. de Jong & W. H. van Soldt = A new historical dating of the tablet, and mention in the text of the visibility of the planet Mars during the eclipse as well as the month in which it occurred enables us to show that the recorded eclipse in fact occurred on 5 March 1223 BC.

[Elijah]

Ugarit Solar Eclipse in the Time of David and Saul and Pharoah Akenaten

This article states the eclipse was the end of king Saul and May 20 of 1078 BC. Apparently a sunrise eclipse is not a 6th hour eclipse from midnite, but the article says that the eclipse at sunrise was an hour of the sun was (a 6 hour) meaning incomplete hour or annular.

QUOTE-
Later, I realized that the report to Akenaten was about the death of King Saul - not about the rulership of King David.  So, that would be 1078 B.C.E.  Well, I had a candidate solar eclipse in 1078 B.C.E.  It was May 20, 1078 B.C.E.  Only problem was that maybe it was not in Hiyaru, and the observer of the eclipse had referred to it as an eclipse in Hiyaru.  So, I took a look at it and ran an astronomical program called EMapWin 1.2X (a free program which you may download by clicking on that web site and finding the program).  What did I find?  I found a most excellent Ugarit solar eclipse, an annular solar eclipse of perfection.
    At first, I wanted to reject it.  But, I realized that it was in Hiyaru (not the beginning of Hiyaru, but near the end).  That is because astonomer's new moons (invisible) do not begin new lunar months.  It is the observation of just visible new moons.  So, yes, it was still Hiyaru.  But, it was not at sunset or at noon.
    Then I recalled something about the number 6.  I recalled that people in those days used 6 as a number to describe something strange, awesome and wierd.  You know how young people today say something is AWESOME, well in those days they used 6 as a symbol for something incomplete, inhuman, or very strange.  So, this Ugarit solar eclipse would have been perhaps frightening and very strange at morning.  Illuminated beads of light around the edges would have shown the moon as black in the center.  So, the event "put to shame" the last days of Hiyaru.  Instead of seeing no moon, the moon was seen blocking the sun and with very bright edges.  So, it was indeed a sixth hour eclipse, but it was not at noon.  It was AWESOME!
    Also, eclipses occur on the sixth day of the week or the seventh day of the week on old lunar calendars.  That is because there are two or three days before a just visible new moon is determined, and the months alternate between 29 and 30 days in length.
    So, then, I realized that I had found the Ugarit solar eclipse of Akenaten.  So, that means the 12th year of Akenaten was when King Saul died, in 1078 B.C.E.  As for King David, he became King the very next year.  (Some interesting planetary events mark that date too, but that is another story.)
    So, that is the story of how I found the Ugarit solar eclipse of Akenaten.  Best wishes to you all, especially to those mentioned below.
    Wayne Mitchell prepared three views of this Ugarit solar eclipse.  Click here to see one.  All three views may be seen by here or here.

DIVISION OF ISRAEL BY TAMUZ IN 997 BC
May i now add or submit the TAMUZ of Nimrod's death at 500 in Adams
year 2256 in 1770 BC during Hamurabi who replaced Nimrod as king of kings this year that baby Judah was born in Harran Syria. That Tamuz is July 10 Mars and again in 997 BC at the death of Solomon that Tamuz is again on July 10 Mars. So the Ugarit eclipse here confirms 1078 BC for Sauls death for those who reject Eusebius 1077 BC for 40 years of David and 40 years of Solomon to 997 BC, or reject Jospehus' 80 years of Solomon from 1077-997 BC..... by the way Josephus is looking for an incorrect 1073 BC temple of Solomon beleiving it was built the same year as Babel's Marduk (Jupiter) renovation as 936 years after 2009 BC, instead of for Solomon's temple as Jupiter's 996 years  (2030-1034 BC and 1034-38 BC Herod, 83x 12 year calendar for Jupiter = 12x 83 years of 7 orbits), and instead of Babel's true renovation 936 years as 1770-834 BC (not 2009-1073 BC).... see Jewish Seder Olam Rabbah which uses 834 BC for Solomons temple (thus also both temples in same year) 480 years after 1313 BC as Exodus, and note this 834 BC temple is 200 years after 1034 BC temple as is 1313 BC exodus as 200 years after 1513 BC exodus. So Babel's renovation of its Marduk temple was an exact 200 years after Solomon's temple. Josephus does also use the 996 years of Jupiter as Isaac's birth 60 years before the 2009 BC Marduk. He is mistaken because Marduk is not the 60-year calendar as if to start with Isaac, it is the 3744-year calendar countdown starting with Judah's birth not Isaac's. So the use of 1073 BC and 1034 BC and 834 BC cannot be denied as a debate of Solomons temple and Babels temple doing a who built whose first or was it the same year.

WOW i just discovered something on the calculator with Josephus.
First a foundation for you to follow me.... he uses 284 AD as year 6000.
One of the calendar countdowns is 2400 years from year 3600
so that would be 2117 BC... never knew before, but i see nothing significant for 2117 BC until right now.... it is year 52 of his Abraham who is
2169-2069 BC to be 100 when Isaac is born (and by the way his 2169 BC for Abram implies a 2170 BC date for the Great Pyramid as the tower of Babel. And Marduk is 52 years.... not Jupiter but four of 13 year Mars (6 orbits). So a Marduk of Mars from his birth to age 52 is regarded by Josephus
as the start of the 1200 year cycle of 2400 years to year 6000 in
284 AD. COOL.

[eliyahu hanavi]

Sheesh a Google search proves everyone is at this eclipse game
grabbing every date to say they discovered the real date.
Well in one brief session i have found the prophet who had the answer.
(Do please allow me to admire the man who finds a true answer by me calling him prophet and also as WORD of God, God's truth.)
And I submit it in the next REPLY and hereby have here edited out all
my usual rambling that WAS here in this post.

Google it :  Sivan 26 (May 3 in 1375 BC), or 1063 BC or (May 9 in 1012 BC)

T. de Jong & W. H. van Soldt = A new historical dating of the tablet, and mention in the text of the visibility of the planet Mars during the eclipse as well as the month in which it occurred enables us to show that the recorded eclipse in fact occurred on 5 March 1223 BC.

Yes, I saw that one regarding 1223 B.C. as well as the one regarding 1078 B.C. and others. Fact is that they are leaping on any and all eclipses that occurred in Hiyyar. Those eclipses are a dime a dozen and they are glossing over details such as azimuth, latitude, longitude, duration, etc. and hope that there audience will not be astute enough to research. On this last note, they are often correct as they appeal to the general masses as the target audience. It is rare to find serious scholars or scientists who will give such shoddy research more than a passing glance. Cheers!

[Elijah]

But i agree with the fact that Saul died in 1078 BC. We live in a time where chronology that was once laid out in whole, is now in pieces, like each person being a doctor who only works on his part and so thinks that makes it better skilled (truth is the whole body fails if the dependency between parts is not recognized), this is the same for computers, or televisions ect, and chronology. You may get very much detail from a whole group working on only a short segment, but it could turn out to be a whole very complicated detailed ERROR that doesnt fit with the parts other groups are working on. That is why the bible likens society as a whole being a mother to everyone born in it. And that mother is a good mother who tolerates the defiance of the cultural bad mother whether it be the church or the school or the economic power or political power, that story is the same in its power to raise a good son or bad son. Restoring all former major chronologies of Maya and Egypt and Hindu and China to the original GENESIS proves how these errors evolve and all because we were brainy know-it-all schools and scholars of profession even back then 4000 years ago. The lesson is being denied not learned.

NEW DISCOVERY by me.... Mayan Marduk versus Babel Marduk.
Foundation for you first = Mars calendar is 780-day artificial orbit.
This is three cycles of Mayan 260-day tzolkin.
Marduk has two cultures, those for Mars using the 360-day calendar;
and those for Jupiter using the Sothic calendar (4 years = 1461 days).
The Mars calendar notes the descent of Mars, absent death of Mars (Tamuz), and rising morningstar of Mars. And it notes every 13 years as being a morningstar on the new year, and the 780 days advances
2 years 2 months six times.
The original New Year Marduk (my discovery of Noah's new year to our 360-day calendar) is always the Mayan day 12 imix. Because 12 imix is every
260 days, the rise is every third of day of 12 imix. It divides the orbit of Mars into thirds such as in rise and opposition and set.  The Mayan equivalent of New Year Marduk is marked by the day 1 imix (first day of
260-day tzolkin) occurring every 13 tun (and 52 tun Marduk).
The morningstar of Mars for the Mayan Marduk calendar is always 80 days after the Babel Marduk calendar. But noting the Babel New Year Marduk, because Mayan New Year is always 20 days after Noah's New Year, the morningstar Mars that is 80 days after Babel New Year Marduk is on the Mayan date 3.1 (3 uinal and 1 kin) which is Noah's 3-21.
(Noah's 1-01 equals Mayan 17.1
Noahs 1-21 equals Mayan 0.1
Noahs 2-11 equals Mayan 1.1
Noahs 3-01 equals Mayan 2.1
Noahs 3-21 equals Mayan 3.1
Total 80 days
REMEMBER the 780 day Mars jumps 2 months every 2 years.
Every year of Noahs and Mayan match exactly the date 5-01 to 5-19
where 5th month and 19 days equal 5th uinal and its 19 days.
So now MY current discovery, even though the Mayan Mars is 80 days after
Babels New Year Marduk, it is not the new year of the Mayan tun.
Instead the Maya reckoned the Mars 780 days earlier,
so that Mayan New Year Marduk occurs 700 days before Babel New Year Marduk. Thus the day 1 imix of 3113 BC (1 tun) is 700 days before
what would be the date for a Babel New Year Marduk, and 1 imix of 2370 BC (Nov 1)
of 755 tun (marking 754 tun of 780-day Mars from 3113 BC)
is 700 days before Babels New Year Marduk (2368 BC Oct 1) and
to reiterate, 80 days further on the Dec 20 Mayan day 1 imix for Mars is not the new year tun as it was the new year tun in 2370 BC. The 60 day
advance of Mars every 2 years is two months but three uinal.
So i now realize that although 780 day Mars counts to both my date in 2370 BC and my date in 2368 BC, that the one aligning to Mayan new
year tun will always be 2 years (700 days = 360 days + 340 or 180 +260 +260) ahead of the original Babel new year of Noahs 360-day calendar.
The 180 days is due to my discovery in 1984 that Arpaxad was born in the 2nd year 180 days before the new year of 602. He was conceived when Little Ararat was seen (10-01), and then born when Venus saddled Mars (7-01). And the Marduk calendar recognizes the 90 leap days of 360 years to Abram when he was 9 years old. It is Marduk that is a 52 year calendar from the foundation of Nineveh, not Ninus of Nineveh. These 90 leap days moves the new year of 601 recorded by Moses, backward to the same Julian date that 10-01 was on. In other words, 10-01 was July 8 in 2369 BC and new year 90 days later, then in 360 years (360x 365 days or 365 x 360 days) the new year lacks 90 leap days and so it is July 8 in 2009 BC. The Armenian calendar confimrs this with its Koyak new year on Egyptian Koyak 4 (July 9 marking 1460 years from 2369 BC to 909 BC to its Era 552 AD to 2012 AD).
So then --
Mayan New Year Marduk of 2370 BC is Mayan tun 755:0.1
plus 2 tun 3 uinal  (2 years 2 months)
and Mayan Marduk calendar Mars for 2368 BC is tun 757:3.1 while 80 days before both these dates would be Noah's 11-01-599 and 1-01-602.
This means the 1313 BC Sep 12 Babel's Noah's New Year Marduk whose Mars spans 260 days from the day 1 imix (180 days earlier as setting star on Mar 16) forward to the day 1 imix (80 days later as morningstar on Dec 1) is 2 years after the Mayan Marduk which would fall on the TUN in 1315 BC Oct 13. I personally do not beleive they honored 1315 BC but rather they did all this calculating at the volcano Cosiguina Honduras on July 1
of 1313 BC before building at Copan 70 miles to the north. These dates imply Egyptian roots via route thru China, especially since Cosiguina is on the west shore. hmmm

Confused?  email me rschiller@wi.rr.com

[Buck2419AD]

Sheesh a Google search proves everyone is at this eclipse game
grabbing every date to say they discovered the real date.
Well in one brief session i have found the prophet who had the answer.
(Do please allow me to admire the man who finds a true answer by me calling him prophet and also as WORD of God, God's truth.)
And I submit it in the next REPLY and hereby have here edited out all
my usual rambling that WAS here in this post.

Google it :  Sivan 26 (May 3 in 1375 BC), or 1063 BC or (May 9 in 1012 BC)

T. de Jong & W. H. van Soldt = A new historical dating of the tablet, and mention in the text of the visibility of the planet Mars during the eclipse as well as the month in which it occurred enables us to show that the recorded eclipse in fact occurred on 5 March 1223 BC.

In Rohl's book "Pharoahs and Kings" He uses the 1012 B.C. 9 May at 6:09 p.m.. Just to add to the fun I suspect that this is a julian date,because in the tablet interpetation Rhol states the ugarit date corresponds to 15 Apr- 15 May in the julian calender. After reading all these posts about solar eclipses. I am ready for tagamet for my stomach and advil for my headache.

[Sekhmet]

i would like to take opportunity to display the various astral units that bible Genesis chronologers have used whether Egyptian or Moslem or Babylonian. Jospehus refers to a 600-year Great cycle that no one knows which .... Babylon's 2177-1991 BC (768-955)
which is 2207-2020 BC (765-955) 187 years = 190x360 days,
 and with Peleg's death 2030-1943 BC (87 years)
years 940-1027
= in 360 day calendar years 944 (+88) to year 1032

I give thanks to the Lord my God, that I am an Educated American of the 21st century AD.  I can look to the science of Archaeology and not ancient know it alls'.  Or all those numbers is that what made men Wise Men back then?

[Sekhmet]

I recently read a very good book by John Ashton and David Down called, 'Unwraping the Pharoahs' and their well put together argument for revising the traditional chron.

what are some of the credible or legitimate problems with this endeavor?  I see a win win for the Bible and a lose lose for those who are fighting this new trend.

what do you all think?

Hi archaeologist- the rewriting of Egyptian Chronology to fit with traditional, historical Christian Chronology shows only the lack of modern day archaeologist to fit the two into a flowing history we expect from neighboring states. 

Therefore we have revisionists so unable to break from “Christian Chronology” based really upon what?  Making it possible for them to break up the physical rocks and stones of Egyptian Chronology to make their revisionist chronologies work.  I know of what I speak of here.  Dr. Rohl does a great job in comparing the 18th dynasty with the United Kingdom.  Only why does he have to break up the physical, for the based on what of traditional Christian Chronology.  I have also read Synchronized Chronology by Roger Henry, The Genesis of Israel and Egypt – An Enquiry into the origins of Egyptian and Hebrew History by E.J. Sweeney, both lessor known Egyptian revisionists.

Egyptian Chronology is based on rock carved inscriptions starting with the Palermo Stone that stops towards the end of the first 5 dynasties.  Then the inscriptions from the Tuthmosis III in the Temple of Amun at Karnak; let us not forget the Table of Abydos.  Again, a list inscribed on rock in the Temple of King Sethos I whose son Ramesses II is show as well.

 Myself I don’t believe in breaking up written history, written in rocks and stones of “its” day to favor a chronology, based really on what?

For those of you that are interested in straightening out of the mess belief in the traditional historical chronology of Christianity does to Egyptian and other Near Eastern Chronologies.  Please read William Adler’s TIME IMMEMORIAL Archaic History and Its Sources in Christian Chronography from Julius Africanus to George Syncellus, Dumbarton Oaks Studies Twenty-Six, 1989.  Just the first 76 pages will enlighten-one greatly.

I for one am all for a revision of Biblical Chronology, and respect the rocks and stones of the ancient world.  Have a nice day.

[Elijah]

I would never dare get into the concept that only humans of the past 200 years know what they are doing, and nor would i dare say that all people prior to 200 years are steeped only in religious lies.

Chronologies are based on facts that become confused. To say that stone is ignored by reading books is to say that all the stones that were put into books in 200 AD are now destroyed crumbled stones and so we should toss the religious books who copied these stones as being now books of lies. So tell me as our own books crumble in 200 years from now, should everyone go back only to surviving stones and rewrite new books, and change it again. Stone or book isnt the issue but rather your hate for religion and in this case specifically anyone who mentions Jesus. Because if the book of China or Africa mentions Rome you will then accept it. But if a book of Jesus mentions Rome then you deny it. This is shear prejudice against Church and also of Genesis. Of which the two are  not the same, yet when hating both then you can claim they are the same.

I maintain that Genesis was written by Moses.
Moses was from Egypt.
Egypt didnt like Moses and claimed he was wrong about
chronology and their priests were right.
And i find it very difficult to understand why one man is wrong
and all these egyptian priests are right. And in return i ask all
of you, why is it that if 2000 years or Catholic priests are called liars
and claimed to be based on mythical bible books, how is it that
the previous 2000 years before Catholicism is not accused of being
religious Egyptian pagan priests who are all liars and based on their mythical egyptian gods and their little books.

If this is the case of lets beleive Egypt about Egypt and not
Catholic about Egypt, then i ask why is it we beleive America
about Russia, and not Russia about Russia.
If this is a case of religion to hate, then  why do we love the
chronology egyptian priests write for Egypt, but we call the
chronology that Catholic priests write for Catholics to be all lies.
Does not Egyptian priests lie to their laity. Did these Egyptian priests
 have 2000 years of truth before 2000 years of Catholic lies.
I am trying to distinguish if any truth is in your words Shekmet.
Help me see it. Help me see that your thoughts are not biased
and are based on hate for religion as true, or hate for bible as true,
or hate for a specific religion or person Jesus.
It is a fact that both Jew and Christian who disliked each other
base the end of dynasty 5 as Peleg's death no matter what
year or span or fix they use. And since all evidence suggests
that Peleg founded Ur, he has to be the founder Mesanipada.
Everything then falls in mathematical order then and not by mere
math magic which does exist as csinos and insurance proves
numbers can be played with. But that only proves that atheists
can play with numbers as much as these Christians you hate by
labeling their chronologies as lame.

If truth is discovered then i see how it's new.
If it is rediscovered then i see how it's new.
But so much is new that is not truth.
And many things claimed to be discovered or
rediscovered are not truth either even though they
are new or even renewed.

I have gone to the calculator site that let's you pick asteroid size
and i have attempted to see what size and speed would tilt the earth.
How is it that they say that the rise of a fault 45 feet and its tsunami has made a minor change in pole. Yet no matter what size (even destroying the earth) and that program doesnt shift the Earth. I would also like to say that the program obviously strikes the Earth at equator or ecliptic plane, because in order to change tilt you would have to have direction and time of day north or south of the equator to cause that tilt. A direct center hit on Earth wont do it no matter how hard or big.

The point is that all evidence proves Earth increased spin to lengthen the year from 360 to 365 to 365 1/4 days. And this created magical mathematical cycles while they tried to figure the actual real year with exact math. Of course while being busy like us today trying to be so precise they ignore the errors. The greed is not just relgious or priestly... and mind you not just Catholic, but egypt priests, and hindu priests, and babel priests all controlling people. THis is political even without a religion. Schools, scholars, doctors, archeologists play the exact same power games with money as any religion does. Whats the problem men, are you jealous as to who gets the most money doing this to people? Is it better to take a son away from a father who beats him (yes save him) and give him to foster parents who prositute him? Even Jesus did not stress precision for any day and hour, he says one tree isnt spring, but in general all the trees will tell you. So what we have here with human minds is the failure to see processes.... true actual ones, not petty burdening legal ones.

You are ignoring how many egyptologists say there was a 360-day calendar before a 365-day calendar.

[Sekhmet]

First Let me answer your question sir.  I am not a Christian, just a sinner forgiven thanks be to the Savior.  So I believe I can ask that question.

I would never dare get into the concept that only humans of the past 200 years know what they are doing, and nor would i dare say that all people prior to 200 years are steeped only in religious lies.

Sir, upon reading just part of your volumes of work I believe you would dare just about anything if it meant getting yourself heard and dominate.  The amount of knowledge learned in just the last 200 years can only equal the vast amount of knowledge available at the time of Christ.  The major difference is the means to power what is available.  Without modern Energy, sir, Radio Carbon dating and other means of dating would not be possible.  Without modern energy sir, computers to put all that knowledge together without Caesars’ army of slave sectaries.  The knowledge available today, would go the way of the knowledge at the time of Christ.

Chronologies are based on facts that become confused.

  Not all is confusion, sir do you not know scripture?  In God, sir there is no confusion.

To say that stone is ignored by reading books is to say that all the stones that were put into books in 200 AD are now destroyed crumbled stones and so we should toss the religious books who copied these stones as being now books of lies.

In 200 AD, and by 300 AD the ability to read most Egyptian hieroglyphics; both scripts were impossible hence, todays big misconception that the Egyptians knew real magic.  Have you visited a real museum lately that includes those crumbling blocks?  Please provide a SOURCE for your statement that religious books were copied from those blocks. 

The enemy talks of and in lies, sir Christ is the Truth.  Those that are His have little or nothing to do of and with lies sir.  IMHO that is.

So tell me as our own books crumble in 200 years from now, should everyone go back only to surviving stones and rewrite new books, and change it again.

LOL should “as our own books crumble in 200 years”, please!  Our Constitution is older than that and due to our modern technology is likely to outlive.  Those stones that still lay undetected unless you are predicting another End Time within these 200 years sometime?

Stone or book isnt the issue but rather your hate for religion and in this case specifically anyone who mentions Jesus. Because if the book of China or Africa mentions Rome you will then accept it. But if a book of Jesus mentions Rome then you deny it. This is shear prejudice against Church and also of Genesis. Of which the two are  not the same, yet when hating both then you can claim they are the same.

Run on Hyperbole not worthy of discussion other than to say.  Hate?  Christ, sir is Love and in Him there is only perfect Love.

I maintain that Genesis was written by Moses.

From my own in-depth studies and readings, the hand that wrote Genesis is more likely to have been Joseph.  Outside of Psalms, Genesis contains some of the most beautiful writing in the world.  It is also logical that the great-grandson of Abraham, and the father of Pharaoh (Genesis 45: would be the most logical one to write the early history of his fathers.  Moses being a son of Pharaoh, by virtue of his daughter of Pharaoh, mother would have had access to the writings of anyone in Pharaohs library.

Moses was from Egypt.
Egypt didnt like Moses and claimed he was wrong about
chronology and their priests were right.  Your Source please!
And i find it very difficult to understand why one man is wrong
and all these egyptian priests are right. And in return i ask all
of you, why is it that if 2000 years or Catholic priests are called liars
and claimed to be based on mythical bible books, how is it that
the previous 2000 years before Catholicism is not accused of being
religious Egyptian pagan priests who are all liars and based on their mythical egyptian gods and their little books.

  I do believe sir you should study some ancient history.  The 2000 years before Catholicism saw the growth of cults such as The Aten, The Divine Wife of Amun, Zeus, Hercules, Serapis and a host of others.

If this is the case of lets beleive Egypt about Egypt and not
Catholic about Egypt, then i ask why is it we beleive America
about Russia, and not Russia about Russia.

IMHO Run on conflicted nonsense, I am sorry sir. Not really worthy of my time.

If this is a case of religion to hate, then  why do we love the
chronology egyptian priests write for Egypt, but we call the
chronology that Catholic priests write for Catholics to be all lies.

In Christ, there is no hate sir.  Know you not your scripture.  Unless you speak of the hate, Christ demonstrated when He cast out those that had made His fathers’ house a den of thieves?

Does not Egyptian priests lie to their laity. Did these Egyptian priests
 have 2000 years of truth before 2000 years of Catholic lies. 
I am trying to distinguish if any truth is in your words Shekmet.

Try discernment, distinguishing all you desire sir.  I have seen nothing in your volumes to worry about you.  It is Sekhmet by the way not Shekmet.

Help me see it. Help me see that your thoughts are not biased
and are based on hate for religion as true, or hate for bible as true,
or hate for a specific religion or person Jesus.

Please reword so it is readable and understandable.  Blabbering sir, is not tongues, or a sign of the Holy Spirit possession or greater spirituality than another.  It is a sign of a mental problem as Sekhmet the healer and a retiring nurse I pray sir you have a good mental health unit in your area and humbly suggest you visit it.  See what happens when one depends on mans’ wisdom and not that of the Lord our God.  Those lacking in true discernment and knowledge of Him, who is everlasting, threatened madness; that He did not End Time It in 1996-2004 as in my whole life it was threaten.  And folks wonder why we have Gothics, and mass murder.

It is a fact that both Jew and Christian who disliked each other
base the end of dynasty 5 as Peleg's death no matter what
year or span or fix they use. And since all evidence suggests
that Peleg founded Ur, he has to be the founder Mesanipada.
Everything then falls in mathematical order then and not by mere
math magic which does exist as csinos and insurance proves
numbers can be played with. But that only proves that atheists
can play with numbers as much as these Christians you hate by
labeling their chronologies as lame.

Right run on. 

If truth is discovered then i see how it's new.
If it is rediscovered then i see how it's new.
But so much is new that is not truth.
And many things claimed to be discovered or
rediscovered are not truth either even though they
are new or even renewed.

I have gone to the calculator site that let's you pick asteroid size
and i have attempted to see what size and speed would tilt the earth.
How is it that they say that the rise of a fault 45 feet and its tsunami has made a minor change in pole. Yet no matter what size (even destroying the earth) and that program doesnt shift the Earth. I would also like to say that the program obviously strikes the Earth at equator or ecliptic plane, because in order to change tilt you would have to have direction and time of day north or south of the equator to cause that tilt. A direct center hit on Earth wont do it no matter how hard or big.

The point is that all evidence proves Earth increased spin to lengthen the year from 360 to 365 to 365 1/4 days. And this created magical mathematical cycles while they tried to figure the actual real year with exact math. Of course while being busy like us today trying to be so precise they ignore the errors. The greed is not just relgious or priestly... and mind you not just Catholic, but egypt priests, and hindu priests, and babel priests all controlling people. THis is political even without a religion. Schools, scholars, doctors, archeologists play the exact same power games with money as any religion does. Whats the problem men, are you jealous as to who gets the most money doing this to people? Is it better to take a son away from a father who beats him (yes save him) and give him to foster parents who prositute him? Even Jesus did not stress precision for any day and hour, he says one tree isnt spring, but in general all the trees will tell you. So what we have here with human minds is the failure to see processes.... true actual ones, not petty burdening legal ones.

You are ignoring how many egyptologists say there was a 360-day calendar before a 365-day calendar.

I say Elijah, who Christ Jesus loves despite of your ramblings, that in a time period of 7-8 millenniums.  While days do add up our ancients knew this added days here and there and in the end, those days do not add up to a millennium.  His Great and Peaceful Love upon you and yours and please visit that local MHU near you.

Caution sir, become better organized or this might be my last conversation with you.  I have much better things to do.  Jesus loves you; I can and will leave you to Him who is able to save. 

I say not a very archaeological post however it is the danger of mixing religion and science.  Rejoice in the Lord all His People.

[Sekhmet]

In the last post of mine Genesis 45: 8 came out with an icon.  Spacing, and I will attempt to improve this as I become more familiar with this board.

[Elijah]

Bias is bias. Accusing bias doesnt resolve its existence. Whether one listens intently or not, if they here words different than what is said, then it will seem as babble and as rambling. And this goes off into becoming new languages when you claim this word means his way and not your way or my way.

As far as the whole world goes, the americans who are last of all languages have not right nor truth to say that Shekmet Shikmut Sekhmet is any true way. All the other languages before us would never spell the name in any fashion that an american nor englishman would say it.
This is why the two letters (or two words) K and F.... are then spelt as Cheops as if to be K and P, and few americans ever say Kay for the word Che, much less "off" or "eff" as "ops". While fools argue spelling and pronunciation the evolving origin is ignored and that is why none connect all people as one family other than mere claim by doctrine. And so the winners are the Monkey Theory who claims they have the chain of evolving thru the ages. Well who then has the evolving of Ararat to Sumer to Egypt Hindu China Maya.... and who would they listen to. Me, nope, neither you nor others. So then? give the secret to another man and will you listen to him? no it matters not who discovers all history, the problem with the scoffers and denyers and killers is not one of their hearing clarity or the presentation. I do not see a Jesus who claims that he could clarify or present better; and then the world would listen. No matter how it is said, or no matter how he said things, the war leads to kill, and those killing watch the Christ die, and they say WE HAVE NOT HATE (while killing him, or killing it...the christ).
They then say THIS IS JUSTICE, NOT HATE, and WE LOVE, WE ARE GOOD. But they all died in Jerusalem trying to kill Romans, and death is here again because there is no agreement. And when disaster comes, so do all the homes with guns come out. So sad. This forum cannot exist whole and as one because it has freedom like the USA has (had). But that freedom allows the one with truth to exist by giving everyone the equal opportunity to claim to be that truth. Praise Jehovah for that, not people who wish to silence words and call these words as rambling.
Eliyahu has read my posts as much as a third time, and the light bulb comes on for him. Be like him. I truly do double read your words so i know where YOU come from; be like me. Richard Michael Schiller
Waiting any day or week or month now because this is the year.
I dont need meds for a depression. I can cope the depression without your meds as my Lord Jesus coped inflicted pain by others without the drug MYRHH.

[Sekhmet]

Bias is bias. Accusing bias doesnt resolve its existence. Whether one listens intently or not, if they here words different than what is said, then it will seem as babble and as rambling. And this goes off into becoming new languages when you claim this word means his way and not your way or my way.

As far as the whole world goes, the americans who are last of all languages have not right nor truth to say that Shekmet Shikmut Sekhmet is any true way. All the other languages before us would never spell the name in any fashion that an american nor englishman would say it.
This is why the two letters (or two words) K and F.... are then spelt as Cheops as if to be K and P, and few americans ever say Kay for the word Che, much less "off" or "eff" as "ops". While fools argue spelling and pronunciation the evolving origin is ignored and that is why none connect all people as one family other than mere claim by doctrine. And so the winners are the Monkey Theory who claims they have the chain of evolving thru the ages. Well who then has the evolving of Ararat to Sumer to Egypt Hindu China Maya.... and who would they listen to. Me, nope, neither you nor others. So then? give the secret to another man and will you listen to him? no it matters not who discovers all history, the problem with the scoffers and denyers and killers is not one of their hearing clarity or the presentation. I do not see a Jesus who claims that he could clarify or present better; and then the world would listen. No matter how it is said, or no matter how he said things, the war leads to kill, and those killing watch the Christ die, and they say WE HAVE NOT HATE (while killing him, or killing it...the christ).
They then say THIS IS JUSTICE, NOT HATE, and WE LOVE, WE ARE GOOD. But they all died in Jerusalem trying to kill Romans, and death is here again because there is no agreement. And when disaster comes, so do all the homes with guns come out. So sad. This forum cannot exist whole and as one because it has freedom like the USA has (had). But that freedom allows the one with truth to exist by giving everyone the equal opportunity to claim to be that truth. Praise Jehovah for that, not people who wish to silence words and call these words as rambling.
Eliyahu has read my posts as much as a third time, and the light bulb comes on for him. Be like him. I truly do double read your words so i know where YOU come from; be like me. Richard Michael Schiller
Waiting any day or week or month now because this is the year.
I dont need meds for a depression. I can cope the depression without your meds as my Lord Jesus coped inflicted pain by others without the drug MYRHH.

You poor man- my prayers for you and yours.  Let Eliyahu become like you, it has been my lifes' goal to become more like Christ.  This is worthy.
American language sir, is rooted in English, rooted in German and I can ramble on.  Respect is respect sir and I find little in you.  Your predicated End Time is now with just 5 months and 2 weeks away.  Stay away from me on January 10th 2009, I intend God Willing to enjoy my birthday.

[Elijah]

You poor man- my prayers for you and yours.  Let Eliyahu become like you, it has been my lifes' goal to become more like Christ.  This is worthy.

I have been speaking about how words are twisted deliberately with a heart to kill. This is a very good example because i said nothing about Eliyahu becoming like me. Rather i suggested Patricia become more like Eliyahu of which she will no doubt repeat herself that she will be more like Christ not like Eliyahu. But note that her repeating herself to say be not like Eliyahu but be like Christ would be to ignore that she looked for a lie to create bad untrue judgement against me. This Jesus warned that others will create bad false judgement in what they regard as zeal against each of us just as they would do him and did to him. The next fact is that even those current Jews said to Jesus that they would worship God (Jehovah) not worship Jesus. In this way they accused Jesus of wanting worship, but beyond that they were also saying they could listen to God and be like God without Jesus. They knew the way without Jesus. So too, who here thinks i am the way. I have never said i am. Yet see how i get the same accusation that John the Baptizer got before they killed him and then killed Jesus. And they did this because they sought to be like God not like Jesus not like John. I now say look into the scripture and there are many good examples of people even walking around Jesus of whom Jesus said become like this one and become like that one and become like these. Notice Jesus did not say become like ME. So she accuses me of committing the same crimes as Jesus despite her claim to be his number one supporter. Excuse me, forgive me. Did i do the same thing, call her number one as if to accuse her of thinking that of herself. POINT made.
Eliyahu  is not the only person who double reads until he understands, and such ones do that not for me, but everything they read of anyone. Again, you need to be like him (Eliyahu) just as Jesus also agrees you should be that way. That makes three of us correcting you.
The 3rd lie on your part regarding my words is i say nothing of this Passover year from March 10 as being only 5 months 2 weeks left. Being that you do say it, you do it to create a path for yourself where you are the one who lied of me and yet i see ahead of you just as God does, namely that you intend to use your 5 months 2 weeks to call me fraud on the Jan 1 new year which has nothing to do with the Passover year. Asteroids from the direction of the sun go unseen on full moons so where do you get 5 months and 2 weeks to a full moon of the Passover year. Malice is your intent, you are  not covering Egypt, nor archeology, nor time nor calendar, you are seeking to create words that i didnt say. Let this forum take witness that Patricia Shekmet intends to mock me on January 1 for nothing i spoke of other than her intent to use this forum to do so. I eagerly await January 1 too, so that all may see the fool. It wont be me because i predicted nothing for it. Like Jesus said so you betray me with what you think to be a kiss ?