Revising The Egyptian Chronology

[archaeologist]

I recently read a very good book by John Ashton and David Down called, 'Unwraping the Pharoahs' and their well put together argument for revising the traditional chron.

I have read little of david rohl's work but know he is a big revisionist and that there are others who are beginning to see the validityof this act.  i tend to side with the revisionists because their points make sense and they seem to be able to fit the evidence into the proper place in history.

what are some of the credible or legitimate problems with this endeavor?  I see a win win for the Bible and a lose lose for those who are fighting this new trend.

what do you all think?

[Brianroy]

Archaeologist,

  In the isle of Crete, several hundred clay tablets were discovered as dating from the Late Bronze Age, or immediately following the rule of these Syrian Pharaohs of Egypt (ca. 1550 - 1200 B.C.). 

The tablets labeled Linear A and a later set labeled Linear B, used ideograms: pictures acting as a multi-linguistic dialectical dictionary within Semitism.  These incorporated what was at first a Semitic form of Mycenaean (ancient Achaean) Greek, transposed against Hebrew, Ugaritic, and Akkadian pronunciations. 

Cyrus Gordon was thus able to show that the Philistine false deity of Dagon, and the Philistine king of Gerar, were every bit as Semitic as the Hebrews were.1 

This being the case, from where did these Philistine Semites come from -- before their arrival to the Aegean?  What was their bond to those Rephaim who settled in Israel, both those who settled prior to and those who migrated to Israel after the Hebrew Exodus from Egypt?  Indeed, Samson and Delilah had no need for interpreters.  They both spoke the same Semitic dialect that was brought down from Syria to Egypt. 

From thence, that dialect was dispatched to Greece and Crete (the Aegean); and then back to Israel:

 1) from the Aegean through the Philistines;
2) from Egypt through the Rephaim/Anakims/Nephilim Hyksos who settled the Valley of Rephaim, west of the Old City of Jerusalem even as Josephus cites Manetho (etc.) in his letter Against Apion.

This fact of migration is looked upon with head scratching by even those who should know better and have seen the Egyptian Hyksos connection.2


In fact, I believe that the verification of the Biblical dating of a 1550 B.C. dating of pottery by Kathleen Kenyon was fiercely suppressed.  This is the only reason why she would have altered her analysis from her field notes.

 I may be mistaken, but my analysis is that: if you look at her conduct after Jericho, that no matter how brilliantly she conducted herself, you can just look at her career and get the sense of a clandestine opposition to her work (that reaches back to this Jericho discovery). This debate of a Late Bronze Age versus Middle Bronze Age still rages today3 and effectively is desired by anti-Biblical critics to discourage Zionism and an historical Exodus from Egypt.


In the 3rd century B.C., the Egyptian historian Manetho, calls the Hyksos king who adopts Moses as his grandson: "Jonias".  The Egyptology which we now have is so screwed up, that we list rulers who were but princes over cities or territories as if they were Pharaohs, along with co-regents from its first rulers until the beginning of the New Kingdom in 1551 B.C.   

In my redating of the Old Testament and Greek History via ancient Greek historians and patristics, I stand by the 1551 B.C date as the Exodus of the Hebrews from Egypt and the expulsion of the Hyksos soon after.

               
The Egyptian historian Manetho renamed the Hyksos kings after the manner of the Greeks, and did not preserve for us the original names of the Hyksos.  Fortunately, through direct quote in Josephus' work, Against Apion (1.14), we have for us the Greek conversion, or renaming of these Hyksos rulers of Egypt during the Hebrew stay in "Keme", which Herodotus relates was probably the Nile Delta region. 

The region around Thebes was the southern capitol of the Old Kingdom, and the Egyptians were thought to have simply colonized there (Herodotus, Histories 2.15).  Therefore, as the priests of Egypt related their history to Herodotus, it was thought among them that they simply lost the Nile Delta to the Hyksos, Thebes being thought as true Egypt -- even though we today consider the geography of it in reverse: the delta being true Egypt, and the cities furthest away as but ancient relics.

When the armies of the Hyksos perished in the Red Sea, the Old Kingdom ceased paying tributes, and rose up against the surviving families of the Hyksos at Avaris.  The Old Kingdom, based out of Thebes, then surrounded and cast the foreign rulers out of Egypt, and Thebes once again became the Egypt that once was.   

What is more interesting to me, is that the ancient testimonies are that the Greeks sprang first from Hyksos colonies (as I have stated in point 2) above) planted on this European peninsula, and from them, the later Romans, Tyrians, and Carthaginians also were descendants of these same families.  In fact, Ceres was one of these who descended from the Hyksos, married Osiris, and became Isis.  In return, she built and Egyptianized Greece into a civilized society.  But that is for another thread, I would say.     

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1    Biblical Archaeology Review, Vol. 26, No.6,, Nov/Dec 2000 - pp. 60-61; “Against the Tide: Interview with Maverick Scholar Cyrus Gordon.”

2      Biblical Archaeology Review, Volume 19, No. 5, Sep/Oct 1993, pp. 40-53, 88; “The Philistines and the Dothans: An Archaeological Romance”, for example.

3    A 1550’s date of Jericho’s pottery is still cited by Middle Bronze Age proponents, and left as a viable analysis/conclusion in the debate, which often shifts elsewhere.  To see how the issue is danced about, check out:  Biblical Archaeology Review, Vol. 16, No. 5, Sep/Oct 1990

    -- “Battle over Jericho heats up” (debate between)  Piotr Bienkowski and Bryant G.Wood   pp. 45-49, 68-69. 

   -- “3,200 year old Picture of Israelites found in Egypt” by Frank R. Yurco, pp.20-38

  Bienkowski demonstrates that “Jerusalem was destroyed in the Middle Bronze Age, not   the Late Bronze Age.”  The relief at Karnak still has not been fully understood because it is  partially destroyed; but it does show that the Israelites were already in the Land long   before certain invasions occurred, supporting a Middle Bronze Age thesis and the Biblical   record. 

[archaeologist]

very nice post, i am not used to such work and you have me at a bit of a disadvantage as i just got my BAR archive and haven't had much time to go through it.

The tablets labeled Linear A and a later set labeled Linear B, used ideograms: pictures acting as a multi-linguistic dialectical dictionary within Semitism.  These incorporated what was at first a Semitic form of Mycenaean (ancient Achaean) Greek, transposed against Hebrew, Ugaritic, and Akkadian pronunciations

First, I have not heard that they had successfully translated Linear A script of the MInoans.  ALso i knew that Linear a was not pictures but lines, so if you have a link to this it would be appreciated.

This being the case, from where did these Philistine Semites come from -- before their arrival to the Aegean?  What was their bond to those Rephaim who settled in Israel, both those who settled prior to and those who migrated to Israel after the Hebrew Exodus from Egypt?  Indeed, Samson and Delilah had no need for interpreters.  They both spoke the same Semitic dialect that was brought down from Syria to Egypt. 

Second, the last i heard is that we still do not know where the Philistines originated though Amos 9:7 tells us that God saved them, so they may be minoan ( http://www.biblemysteries.com/lectures/philistines.htm also 'Unearthing Atlantis' by Dr. C Pellegrino)

I will disagree with your assumption partially concerning Samson & Delilah as it is highly possible that they learned the other's language growing up.  The Biblical accounts do not give such details so your conclusion is an assumption only subject to further discovery.

Third, the semitic language seems to have different origins:

The Semitic languages are generally divided into three main groups: (1) Eastern Semitic; (2) Northwestern or Western Semitic; (3) Southwestern or Southern Semitic. The East here refers to Mesopotamia, the Northwest (West) to the Middle East proper, i.e. Lebanon and Syria, and the Southwest (South) to the Arabian peninsula and Ethiopia. The Semitic languages are fairly closely interrelated -- approximately as closely as the various Germanic or Romance languages.

http://phoenicia.org/semlang.html

So it is highly possible that the philistine and the hebrew would have similarities but not be considered the same.  But that is disregarding the fact that we have no knowledge of the original tongue of the philistines

Sorry to use wiki but...)

The Philistine language is the extinct language of the Philistines, along the coastal strip of southwestern Canaan. Very little is known about the language, one dialect of which is referred in the Bible as "Ashdodit" (i.e., from the city Ashdod). There is not enough information of the language of the Philistines to relate it to any other languages

It is well known that they adopted other languages so that supports my opposition to your point.

In fact, I believe that the verification of the Biblical dating of a 1550 B.C. dating of pottery by Kathleen Kenyon was fiercely suppressed.  This is the only reason why she would have altered her analysis from her field notes

Kenyon is another issue and should be discussed separately if you would like.  So is jericho and i would say has little to do with the chronology of the egyptians.

In my redating of the Old Testament and Greek History via ancient Greek historians and patristics, I stand by the 1551 B.C date as the Exodus of the Hebrews from Egypt and the expulsion of the Hyksos soon after

okay, i would be careful in using Herodotus because we do not know if he was given the whole truth concerning egyptian history.  we know that the egyptians did not present all the facts (Old Testament Times by R.K. Harrison) andit is highly likely that herodotus was sold a bill of goods.

I am inclined to agree with Ashton and Down on their theory that the Hyksos came into egypt after the exodus because as they point out, 'The egyptian army & pharaoh were destroyed by GOd leaving Egypt without any defenses' (Unwrapping the Pharaohs).

The Israelites also foguht a people on their way out of the land and those enemies would be prime candidates for being labeled The Hyksos.

As for the rest i am not up to speed on their colonization and would have to read your references first.

For me, the revision of the egyptian chronology makes sense as it puts both manetho and Ipuwer into the proper context and makes their writings more credible.  he Ipuwer Document then is seen as an eyewitness instead of being dismissed as a prophecy or historical legend.

[Elijah]

Archaeologist,
The Egyptology which we now have is so screwed up, that we list rulers who were but princes over cities or territories as if they were Pharaohs, along with co-regents from its first rulers until the beginning of the New Kingdom in 1551 B.C.     In my redating of the Old Testament and Greek History via ancient Greek historians and patristics, I stand by the 1551 B.C date as the Exodus of the Hebrews from Egypt and the expulsion of the Hyksos soon after.

The Ramses Papyrus canon in Turin was reconstructed in 1290 BC because the destruction of the land in 1514 BC which led to 1513 BC exodus was a global event. This doesnt mean the orbiting comet created the same 10 plagues in China or in Thera Atlantis. But the event was global, it was regarded as the next Armageddon which like the Flood hadnt waited for the year 6000 to come happen. The chronology misapplies basic astral data. High priest Jannes enslaved not just Israelites but also Shemite Hyksos (Chaldean Hitites from Ur and Ararat). Moses calls them Israelites because at the time of his writing Genesis Exodus these people were surviving sworn in citizens joined to Israel. They had accepted not merely Moses as their christ savior, but all of Israel as that savior, because the Savior was Jehovah our God (cause and effect of forces proving to be a Person our Father). This enslavement occurred in years 768-770 pending on count from Noah's 600 or 602. But the 768 is used in the chronology. Instead of 768 years from Flood 2370 BC to slavery 1601-1600 BC, which is a 24 year decline of Babylon when Amizaduga died in 1625 BC (Adams year 2400). This supplied the atitude against Shemite Chaldeans and the rise of Hitites to destroy Babylon at Moses birth in 1594 BC. However, Egypt's papyrus first denies the primary foundation of Genesis, that Thoth was not the first month in July but for winter in January. The calendar was created with a Pamenot new year not Thoth new year. So they add 720 years 180 leap days to the real Flood 2370 BC and get 3090 BC. Then they take the 768 years and claim it was not the Hyksos issue in 1600 BC, but the Hyksos flight from Ur and Ararat at the death of Peleg Mesanipada in Ur and arival at Memphis at the death of Unas Sokkara the same year. They miscalculate the true arrival of Hyksos from Flood 2369-2030 BC as being Flood 3089-2321 BC as arrival of Hyksos and the stand against them. But this claim as year 768 was really the solution Jannes had in 1600 BC as 6 years before baby Moses. However, the argument by those who say this event was Moses affiliated was over-ruled by Egypt doubling the 768 as being 2321 BC Peleg's death to 1553 BC when Moses was 40, and 40 years before Exodus.

China's miscalculated Flood is based on a Sothic Exodus. No not sothic as in 1322 BC July 20 to 139 AD, nor Jewish Sothic as in 1314 BC July 18 or 1313 BC July 17. BUT rather all chronologies regard it sothic from Flood to Exodus. The true figure is 857 years, but Rome and China use 1440 years (2953-1513 BC) because 1440 egyptian years (1440x365 days) are 1460x 360 days, and because 1440 Julian sothic leap days equal 1461x 360 days. However, the Sothic nature is half that 720 years are 180 leap days back to 2233 BC recognized by Rome and China and then in the 360-day calendar a Sothic alignment returns because 69.5 calendar years are 68.5 Julian, 139x 360 days are 137 Julian, and 137 plus 720 are 857 years from the Flood 2370 BC to Exodus 1513 BC. The Greek chronology is only 2 years off because it places Abram as 2016 BC and Exodus 1511 BC down to the division 996 BC (correctly 997 BC because it has the same July 10 Tamuz as 1770 BC (2256 AM) the 600-year Venus that caused those to change Flood year 1656 to being 2256.
The proof of 1513 BC as exodus is confirmed by the fact they dwelt to their 518th year being 517 years from Peleg's death 2030 BC to 1513 BC. And supported by the fact that Hyksos entry is affiliated as Peleg's death (miscalulated as 2321 BC instead of 2030 BC).

BUT Egypt shifted the Exodus 48 years. This occurs because of denying the move of the 5 epagum days at the exodus. And so they claim that Abram's entry into Egypt the 1st year of 12th dynasty was Shulgi's 1st year 1991 BC instead of his last year 49 in 1943 BC. This causes an exodus 48 years earlier than 1513 BC or 48 years of hyksos names they must squeeze in to keep 1513 BC. The twice 720 (1440) from 2953 BC Flood to Exodus is confirmed by Rome, with Romans recognizing Israel as 1473 BC and so Sothic 720 years to 753 BC. You must remember that the world is all about claiming how worthy right too rule for God has been passed to them, the way Moslems say they (Abram's son Ishmael) replaced Jews in Jerusalem after 70 AD. The Greek Era 776 BC and NeoBabylon 747 BC all do the same thing in connecting Flood and Peleg and Israel, each using only one of the facts that each of them have.

True chronology is required to find the astronomy necessary to finding this asteroid if expected for 2009 AD. Survival is not without calculation. They argued with Lot whether Zoar was in the area that could be destroyed by the expected eruption the next day. A curious theory on full moon earthquakes on the deepest fault of the planet is this - - that Sodom erupted in 1919 BC and Isaac born 1918 BC. Egyptian years begin in July so that the new year for those years was Pamenot 1 (Jun 19). The calendar year for Sodom as June 1919-1918 BC. But for those who dont recognize the year until autumn, it is possible the year of 1919 BC encompasses the full moon of July 18 in 1918 BC being the rise of Sothis on Genesis Pamenot 30. (New kingdom Parmuti 5). The point is that Shem Melchizedek was 549 and had a father Noah who accurately predicted the water canopy collapse by an asteroid impact. How can anyone deny the knowledge gained during such time in centuries which gave them ability to predict the odds of worst disasters, like Moses did. As i have said before, coming to my attention that the weight of only 66 feet of water could be placed on our bodies in this atmosphere means the ocean plates rose up. So we need to seriously calculate how far like ZOAR whether we need to fly or drive after the shockwave fire passes over us. It wiill happen again, but with no water canopy (which prevented rainbows) and mountains are now higher to flee to, and oceans deeper so an asteroid would need far more power to ever do what it did for Noah covering mountains which are now 10 times higher.

Egyptian false chronology of 1290 BC
Flood 3090-3089 BC new year Thot 1 on Oct 5 of 3090
to Thoht 1 on Oct 4 of 3089 BC.
Menes creates Pharaoh in year 350 when Noah dies (2740 BC)
calendar debated as year 320 or year 340 (2770 BC July 17
or 2750 BC July 12 or could be July 17 if 5 epagum days were
skipped at Peleg's death in 2321 BC)
Peleg dies year that all 5th dynasty kings die (2321 BC) Unas of Sokkara
Note that 70-day Anubis is both Peleg's death and calendar in 340
years 2370-2030 BC, but by splitting these events as a calendar
320-340 years after Flood and then Peleg as 768 years after the Flood
will cause two conflicting sources of Anubis for 70-day DEATH.
So too Noah's 355 calendar years (355 x 360 days) are his year 350
after the Flood and so his year 955 though saying he was 950.
Thus the reunion of the cities as year 955 is the same as year 350.
2370-2020 BC
BUT Egypt says no it is 350 years 3090-2740 BC
and 955 years 3089-2134 BC forcing the 11th dynasty as 143 years
when Manetho says it was 43 years to 1991 BC.
The correct span of 43 years is 1986-1943 BC because
1986 BC is marked by a Saturn Capricorn Saturnalia
which orbits in 29.5 years
The 187 years added to 768 to get 955 is coincidence.
It is actually 87 years from Peleg's death to 12th dynasty
2030-1943 BC not Egypt's 2321-2134 BC.
But there are 187 years to year 955 because
kingship began with 6th generation Reu Aanipada
the son of Peleg Mesanipada when his son Serug was
born in 2207 BC. So kingship which lasted 177 years
for Ur 2207-2030 BC until Peleg Mesanipada died,
continued in Egypt for 187 years until the Pharaoh
2207-2020 BC. In this way the new Pharaoh
The House of kings created at Noah's death
ended the 8th dynasty in year 350 (year 955) 2020 BC
which for some was still respected for their rule until
12th dynasty 1943 BC. But 11th dynasty declared
it the sole king or sole Pharaoh in 1986 BC because
Osiris means reborn as king, and can refer to Saturn,
not just the moon, or sun. In this way 11th dynasty
apparently claimed control as THE FIRST SOLE PHARAOH KING
but the actual deaths of 8th generation is what ended
their authority by 12th dynasty 1943 BC.
Abram respected the new 12th dynasty Pharaoh because
he gave to him the 25-year lunar Nisan calendar of 2019 BC
Isan dynasty. Variations seem to exist between 2019-2017 BC
and could contribute to another cause fo 2-year miscaluclations.
(not just Arpaxad, or Marduk, or Exodus). That calendar was
a Pamenot NIsan and Thoth Tishri until 1513 BC so that
Joshua created the current 19 year Hebrew in 1443 BC the last year
of his life, and Babylon made change in 1442 BC, and China in 1437 BC.
This is why those months are March for Hebrew and Babylon, but Feb
for China, while prior to this Nisan was in July in 2018 BC,
and would have been in October in 2370 BC.
Man's problem is that if he could claim the Julian date July 20 existed in 4242 BC before Adam, he would do that. Perhaps we should look into to seeing what Julius Caesar ate in 4242 BC.

[archaeologist]

SIGH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Elijah]

SIGH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I need to draw up a timeline chart for you i guess.
The problem with the lie versus the truth, we all know that a lie does not set on its own, if people think it is true they build on it. People dont just build on a lie to cover over or embellish further. They build on it if they think it true. Evolution is one of millions of examples of human fabrication. The main point of issue though isnt just how great the fall is off this tower of lies. It also means that getting further and further from truth that the truth could seem absurd, or at the very least exausting to read all that truth or hear it all. Yes if you quit learning truth you are way behind in class in the school year and thats when your Armageddon comes. I couldnt possib ly explain 2008-2009 events for you since the world has ignored all i discovered snce 1983. Meanwhile you go proclaiming the works and books of current men as if they are the new gods of archeological discovery. Such men do not have the solution to survive any Armageddon and thats why these new books are vain and soon to be burned with the rest of the world by disaster. Say goodbye to today's Alexandrian library when a disaster is as great as The Flood.

[archaeologist]

anyways i will try to take some time and go through John Ashton's book and post some of their evidence for consideration.

[Elijah]

i would like to take opportunity to display the various astral units that bible Genesis chronologers have used whether Egyptian or Moslem or Babylonian. Jospehus refers to a 600-year Great cycle that no one knows which [lanet it belongs to. As 1200 years the world assumes it is 12-year Jupiter, however this is how Jupiter figures in Genesis. It is every 12 years if a 360-day calendar because 7 orbits is 83 years which are 84 calendar years of 360-days. However, in favor of short Genesis Abram the span of 427 years is 12 +5x83 years = 36 orbits. These 427 years are 433 calendar years and so the 360-day calendar fails for the forst time a 12-year calendar of 360 days per year as 432 calendar years requires another year for Jupiter to reach a complete orbit of one more constellation. The 1200 years however, if corrected 2 days per 40 years and 30 days per 600 years reveals an exact Venus in 1200 egyptian years. Discovered in the year 600 after the Flood and thus in Noah's year 1200, a cycle of 1200 years is 1800 years after the Flood. Because this can equal 340+1460, the first time Sirius is claimed to have made full 1460-year circle whether 1322 BC or 1314 BC or 1310 BC is regardedf as year 1800 with a 1200-year Venus that was observed at 600 years.

The other figures involve Peleg's death as 768 years if 130-year Cainan and 239-year Peleg, year 740 using a Peleg of 339 which incidently in short Genesis this Peleg dies at 239 in year 339 after the Flood.
Egypt uses the Peleg of 768 years as 3089-2321 BC, Rome and China use 740 as 2953-2213 BC (year 720 is 2233 BC and twice 720 is 1440 to Exodus 1513 BC), twice 740 is 2953 BC to Peleg's death as 2213 BC to 1473 BC as taking Canaan, then 720 to 753 BC. But Japan agrees with Egypt using the 291-year Osiris (2321-2030 BC) but instead of using 768 years with 239-year Peleg, they use the 239-year Peleg dying in year 740 after the Flood 3060 BC as 30-year Saturn after Egypt's 3090 BC choice for Flood. The astral nature of the calendar is 720 years 180 leap days and 740 years 185 leap days (Sothic). The Maya use 744 years 180 leap days of the sun. Babylon's 740 is 2947-2207 BC and 2207-1467 BC taking Canaan in 6 years (1473-1467 BC). Every one of these chronologies have an alternative interpretation for each of the figures that would place Peleg dying in Year 340 and 339 years after the Flood at age 239. These nations favor and argue one point of fact and ignore or allow altered all the other points. Typical of schools from then until today 4000 years later.
But our astronomy of today now proves all the chronologies false because only the short chronology can fit the planets they are intended to represent. And since we have a trip to the moon, satellites to planets and orbits around earth, i feel God has proven out astronomy to be exact enough to prove true chornology of our past. But what it porv es is that these people were looking for an asteroid or comet to hit the earth. Does anyone care?
ELIJAH

Interesting note about Egypt's 187 years 2321-2134 BC.
2321 BC is Peleg's death in year 768
and 2134 BC is year 955 after Flood.
However, in short Genesis Peleg's death is Year 340 (339)
in 2030 BC
and year 955 is year 350 in 2020 BC
(600+350 = 600 +355 in the postFlood 360-day calendar)
Babylon uses the year 955 as 2946-1991 BC regarding it
as the last year of dynasty 11 not first year.
So note that 2020 BC is between Egypt's 2134 BC
and Babylons choice of 1991 BC (Shulgi's 1st year).
The year 955 ends 187 years of dynasties 6-8 or
6-10 until 11 or even 6-11 before 12.
Well Ur's 177 years of the worlds first kings as
2207-2030 BC is 187 years to 2020 BC. And yet
with Shulgi ruling 1991-1943 BC, these 187 years from 2207 BC
to 2020 BC as both Year 350 for the Pharaoh and year 955
for renunification are easily confused with the 87 years
from Peleg's death 2030 BC to 12th dynasty 1st year 1943 BC.
Peleg's death to year 955 are only 10 years, but Egypt thinks it
is this 187 years based on 2321-2134 BC (768-955)
confused with Babylon's 2177-1991 BC (768-955)
which is 2207-2020 BC (765-955) 187 years = 190x360 days,
 and with Peleg's death 2030-1943 BC (87 years)
years 940-1027
= in 360 day calendar years 944 (+88) to year 1032

[Elijah]

I would like to take opportunity to display the various astral units
that bible Genesis chronologers have used whether these scholars were
Egyptian or Moslem or Babylonian, or Josephus who refers to a
600-year Great cycle that no one knows which planet it belongs to.
As 1200 years the world assumes it is 12-year Jupiter.
However this is how Jupiter figures in Genesis.
It is every 12 years if using a 360-day calendar
because 7 orbits is 83 years which are 84 calendar years of 360-days.
However, in favor of short Genesis Abram the span of 427 years
is 12 +5x83 years = 36 orbits.
These 427 years of 36 orbits
are 433 calendar years so the 360-day calendar
fails for the first time as a 12-year calendar of 360 days per year
because Jupiter as 432 calendar years (36x12 calendar years)
requires another year (433) of one more constellation
 for Jupiter to reach a complete 36 orbits.
However, the 1200 years of Venus in a 365-day calendar if
corrected 2 days per 40 years and 30 days per 600 years reveals an
exact Venus in 1200 egyptian years (1199 Julian).
Discovered in the year 600 after the Flood
and thus in Noah's year 1200, a cycle of 1200 years is 1800
years after the Flood. Because this 1800 can equal 340+1460, the first
time
Sirius is claimed to have made full 1460-year circle whether 1322 BC
or 1314 BC or 1310 BC is regarded as year 1800 with a 1200-year Venus
that was observed at 600 years. This is why Flood years are
miscalculated in the 3000-2900s BC instead of 2400-2300 BC.
It is such a simple deduction to realize short Genesis inaugurates
the calendar with the month Pamenot not Thoth.

The other astral figures involve Peleg's death affiliated as
Hyksos flights into Egypt and India instead of during the
issues of slavery in Egypt (1650-1467 BC).
The Greek Genesis of 280 BC was written by Greek Jews
using the 1290 BC Egyptian Ramses Papyrus canon.
(3090 BC Flood's year 1800 = 340+1460)
But these Jews had left Babylon in 537 BC who taught them
the 747 BC Era (2947 BC Flood's year 2200 = 740+1460);
and so there are two versions:
Peleg's death as 768 years if 130-year Cainan and 239-year Peleg,
year 740 using a Peleg of 339
which incidently in short Genesis this Peleg dies at 239
in year 339 after the Flood.
Egypt uses the Peleg of 768 years as 3089-2321 BC, Rome and China use
740 as 2953-2213 BC (year 720 is 2233 BC and twice 720 is 1440 to
Exodus 1513 BC), twice 740 is 2953 BC to Peleg's death as 2213 BC to
1473 BC as taking Canaan, then 720 to 753 BC. But Japan agrees with
Egypt using the 291-year Osiris (2321-2030 BC) but instead of using
768 years with 239-year Peleg, they use the 239-year Peleg dying in
year 740 after the Flood 3060 BC as 30-year Saturn after Egypt's 3090
BC choice for Flood. The astral nature of the calendar is 720 years
180 leap days and 740 years 185 leap days (Sothic). The Maya use 744
years 180 leap days of the sun. Babylon's 740 is 2947-2207 BC and
2207-1467 BC taking Canaan in 6 years (1473-1467 BC). Every one of
these chronologies have an alternative interpretation for each of the
figures that would place Peleg dying in Year 340 and 339 years after
the Flood at age 239. These nations favor and argue one point of fact
and ignore or allow altered all the other points. Typical of schools
from then until today 4000 years later.
But our astronomy of today now proves all the chronologies false
because only the short chronology can fit the planets they are
intended to represent. And since we have a trip to the moon,
satellites to planets and orbits around earth, i feel God has proven
out astronomy to be exact enough to prove true chornology of our
past.
But what it porv es is that these people were looking for an asteroid
or comet to hit the earth. Does anyone care?
ELIJAH

Interesting note about Egypt's 187 years 2321-2134 BC.
2321 BC is Peleg's death in year 768
and 2134 BC is year 955 after Flood.
However, in short Genesis Peleg's death is Year 340 (339)
in 2030 BC
and year 955 is year 350 in 2020 BC
(600+350 = 600 +355 in the postFlood 360-day calendar)
Babylon uses the year 955 as 2946-1991 BC regarding it
as the last year of dynasty 11 not first year.
So note that 2020 BC is between Egypt's 2134 BC
and Babylons choice of 1991 BC (Shulgi's 1st year).
The year 955 ends 187 years of dynasties 6-8 or
6-10 until 11 or even 6-11 before 12.
Well Ur's 177 years of the worlds first kings as
2207-2030 BC is 187 years to 2020 BC. And yet
with Shulgi ruling 1991-1943 BC, these 187 years from 2207 BC
to 2020 BC as both Year 350 for the Pharaoh and year 955
for renunification are easily confused with the 87 years
from Peleg's death 2030 BC to 12th dynasty 1st year 1943 BC.
Peleg's death to year 955 are only 10 years, but Egypt thinks it
is this 187 years based on 2321-2134 BC (768-955)
confused with Babylon's 2177-1991 BC (768-955)
which is 2207-2020 BC (765-955) 187 years = 190x360 days,
 and with Peleg's death 2030-1943 BC (87 years)
years 940-1027
= in 360 day calendar years 944 (+88) to year 1032

[Elijah]

The rulership that stood up in 1551 BC was the change in command when Moses was hunted down at 40 for murder. The issues of astronomy that Moses debated with the priests were in 1554 BC and were lunar for the date Koyak 25 which the Greeks turned into Christmas star of Noah (2958 BC Dec 25). The 8 year Venus he debated was 2207 BC to 1551 BC from Reu Aanipada's 1st year of 80, and including the 8 year cycle thru Shulgi's reign 1991-1943 BC whose 1st and last year were debated as 1st year 12th dynasty because Abram left Ur both years (being bi-residential 48 years from age 27 married to his 17 year old sister Sarai and despising Shulgi's or Dungi's idols as being crap). However, even though the 8 year December/ January Venus from the Flood had become May in Amizaduga's year 1626 BC, the next Venus of 1625/1624 BC was again Dec/Jan. So the 8 year Flood Venus shows up as May 1626 BC and at the end of Babylon (Moses' birth in 1594 BC) and 1554 BC, but the 1625 BC December shows up in Dec/Jan 1553/1552 BC. And the next Venus rises with Sothis during July 17-July 20 of 1551 BC (as it did after Ur's Koyak 25 May 6 mass suicide on Chiniese day KiahTse or JiahZi the rat July 19 of 2029 BC). Thus the debate by Moses was well over with from 1554-1553 BC and the new Egypt prided itself in 1552-1551 BC for 40 years until the Psalms of Moses says Pharaoh drowned in the Red Sea with his armies and the people sang.
You hate the story because you hate religious victory over politics.

[Elijah]

deleted, it was funny, it was a little rap song
about unrapping da Pharaoh

[eliyahu hanavi]

In my redating of the Old Testament and Greek History via ancient Greek historians and patristics, I stand by the 1551 B.C date as the Exodus of the Hebrews from Egypt and the expulsion of the Hyksos soon after.

Really! That is awesome! Through independent textual research (probably using many of the same sources as you), I derived a date of 1553 B.C. for the Exodus. My primary sources were the Bible and Josephus, but I have coupled those sources with others. It is interesting that we are so close in time.

[archaeologist]

what i would liketo see is a table where the traditional chronology and the revised chronologies are placed side by side to get a better grasp of how they impact history.

[archaeologist]

that is if someone credible can produce one which eliminates the wing nut fringe.  this is a serious study with serious implications.

[Elijah]

First half is the Papyrus as published
Second half is my finding of short Genesis equivalent.
Dont even read the second half if youre reading it
to shred it up.

Richard Parker successfully dwindled down all the early 20th century interpretations to almost achieve the original 1290 BC Ramses Papyrus, with the exception of 20 years he inserted between dynasty 8 and dynasty 11. Dynasties 1-8 are claimed to be Year 955, and dynasty 11 as 143 years in the Papyrus though Manetho said they were 43 years.
This gives the span of 3110 BC to 2154 BC for the 955. And 2134 BC to 1991 BC for dynasty 11, and 1991-1778 BC for 213 year dynasty 12 which Parker reduced to 206 years to 1785 BC. The Septuagint proves a 48-year debate of Abram as being 1991 BC or 1943 BC, and so if we take the 430 years of living as an alien outside Chaldea it results in the Papyrus as having a 1561 BC Exodus instead of 1513 BC (Greek 1511 BC).
In 1290 BC Ramses had the priests reconstruct all lost history and that
survived into Europe until fragmented in a box on horseback.
The Uppsala Sweden convention (of 1966?) on carbon 14 reduced the 20 years recognizing the 1st year of 11th dynasty as year 955.  This produced an epoch of 3090 BC, with no intent to matching the Septuagint Flood 3090 BC. Nor was their intent of 5th dynasty ending in 768 years intended to end the same year as Septuagint Peleg dies at the age of 239. The 8th dynasty is then said to end in 187 years. There are short Genesis equivalents to these figures.

3089-2321 BC dynasties 1-5
2321-2134 BC dynasties 6-8
2134-1991 BC dynasty 11
1991-1785 BC dynasty 12
1785-1778 BC Joseph
1778-1561 BC Hyksos until Exodus
1290 BC is 1800 years (340 + 1460)
eventually revised to (320 + 1460)
but since further reductions ignoring the Papyrus place Ramses at
1270 BC, then who knows maybe theyll want to go back to 340 + 1460.

Short Genesis equivalent
Epoch thru dynasties 1-5   2369-2030 BC   338-339 years
Shemite migration into Egypt confused with
Shemite migration out of Egypt 2369-1601/1600 BC  768 years
dynasties 6-8 as 187 years kingship  2207-2020 BC
is kingship Peleg gave to his son in Ur, until Pharaoh in YEAR 350
(after The Flood)
confused with 87 years
Peleg's death 2030 BC to 12th dynasty 1943 BC
In 747 BC NeoBabylon recognizes the year 955 as 2946-1991 BC ending
11th dynasty instead of starting it, and places the calendar as
back 740 years 2770 BC- 2030 BC as a Saturnalia of 177 years
after a 2947-2770 BC Flood versus Egypt's 320 years 3090-2770 BC.
11th dynasty is 43 years by Manetho (1986-1943 BC)
possibly 143 years if the kings welcomed into the HOUSE of
kings in 1986 BC were all 100 years old. BUT 11th dynasty is definately
the first supreme Pharaoh where the king of all the kings
established sole rulership... Saturnalia being 383 years of 13 orbits
of Saturn (twice 177 plus 30) hmm 30 years of 2016-1986 BC could
mean significance for 11th dynasty in 2016 BC at the rise of the
Isan dynasty.
(Abram is a late child 10th generation born in the 11th generation)
The year 1986 BC is also the 2nd time precession altered 92 years
of any star shining down pyramid shafts (2170-2078 and 2078-1986 BC)
and failing to let them
declare the equation of 100 years between all calendars.
12th dynasty 213 years 1943-1730 BC
Joseph in 206 years 1737-1730 BC (Pharaoh's dream
in 1738 BC i sboth lunar and Venus and matches the
Papyrus date in 1786 BC as Ramses preference)
Exodus 1513 BC, 40 years after all calendars proved leap
day was ignored for 475 years. Now at the exodus all
calendars would have to be altered.
1290 BC deterimined as 1800 years (340+1460) after Flood
was actually 740 years (185 leap days) after 2030 BC
when 365-day calendar was created at Peleg's death
340 years after the Flood.


MY APOLOGY FOR THE FIRST CHART I DREW IN 1996
It was recognizing the error of Asian and Hindu concept
of the 1200 year calendar as Jupiter, before i found its
exact formula in Venus
(1200x 365 days minus 60 days = 1199 Julian 5 days)