Record of Joseph's rule in Egypt?

[bluejeans]

looking for record of Jacob's favorite son Joseph and his ruling  there during and after the predicted famine dreampt by Pharou and interpreted by Joseph .
    I heard there was a statue found supposedly of him that was damaged - he was obviously not Egyptian and he was red haired - it had been painted
 Exciting news for me and I may have a pic some where  if I can find it
bj
 

[Admin1]

Incontrovertable evidence of Joseph's rule in Egypt has not yet been found, however that, of course, does not mean the subject is dead.

Here are 3 interesting articles on the circumstantial and possible evidence:

http://www.christiananswers.net/q-abr/abr-a027.html

http://www.biblehistory.com/219.htm

http://afdave.wordpress.com/2007/06/18/the-exodus-joseph-jericho-solomons-wealth-and-more-harmonized-with-eqyptian-chronology/

[bluejeans]

Thanks Rick !
 good stuff

[Elijah]

The record is in the name Osarsiph which means Osiris Seph as if to be taken from Joseph. Osiris is directly related to  oSar which means the Sar. Sar means 3600 (calendar), it means ruler to measure, evolving into Czar, Tsar, Caesar, Kaisar. Obviously then Greek hoSar would be Hebrew haSar of which our knowledge of Egypt is via the Greek.
As for Osarsiph he is regarded as a priest they hated for taking over Egypt.
This could be Moses or it could be Joseph. Its like having hatred that doesnt care whether the story you tell was about Martin Luther King or Reverend Jesse Jackson.

12th DYNASTY JOSEPH
However, chronology reveals that the 12th dynasty miscalculation was definately discovered by Richard Parker of Chicago Oriental Institute as 1991-1785 BC though 1778 BC according to its 213-year length. The 7-year difference is to be noted as the rule of Joseph because 5500 BC chronology places Adam as 3600 years before the  fall of Chaldea which caused migration to India. This means Ur III fell in 1901-1900 BC. It means UrNammu became king and expanded the Nannar ziggurat to compete with 2009 BC Marduk Street, and that Shulgi ruled 1991-1943 BC. This is the 48-year shift that Septuagint Genesis debates Abram as being 75 leaving Ur in 1991 BC or in 1943 BC. The answer is simple. He became bi-residential without leaving during the 48 years. Then sold his house and took a caravan of people out of Ur to desert it. He couldnt stay in Haran long because his father would die there and AmarPal (AmarSin) was sure to advance seeking to get his people back. Eventually he did advance on Sodom 7 years later in 1936 BC. The main issue is that as Jospehus says Abram brought his astronomy to give to the new Pharaoh in the 1st year (1991 or 1943 BC). At the age of 75 it was the Nisan calendar for the 365-day calendar of Egypt (where Nisan is in Pamenot and July and 309 lunar months in a 25-year cycle) created at Abram's birth by the 1st king of the Isan dynasty. (2019? 2018? 2017?)
75 years is 3x 309 lunar months and 76 years is 4x 235 lunar months.
It is here that the Jews mistakenly presume Abram's choice was the 19-year calendar not 25-year. This would place Abram's entry into Egypt at age 76 instead of 75. But evidence indicates that Joshua is the one who accepted the current 19-year calendar his last year of 25-year rule in 1443 BC dying in 1442 BC when Babylon too accepted the 19-year calendar. Do note that the Genesis record is in 25-year intervals for Abram at 75 and 100 and 125 and 150 and 175. His son traditionally offered at 25 in 1893 BC no doubt in defiance of 1894 BC Babylon declaring it had raised the people from death... symbollically in its technology. Nov 2 all souls day is the 360-day calendar new year in 1894 BC.

So Joseph begins in 206 years of the 12th dynasty. Egyptian this is
7 years 1785-1778 BC, but using 1943 BC it is 1737-1730 BC. The 430 years is from the 1st year of 12th dynasty to the Exodus....
1991-1561 BC is corrected to 1943-1513 BC. In this manner Osarseph
appears to be the priest who brought all the Hyksos (Israel) into Egypt and the Osarseph seems to be the priest who took all the Hyksos (Israel) out of Egypt into Canaan. So in my eyes this is direct reference. Our commercial technology today has made great discoveries in electronic toys on less foundation theories than this. People just dont wish to see or envision. Visions are scoffed and despised, people trample on those getting somewhere in proof.

[Elijah]

Joseph's coat as king that caused his becoming king is likewise fixed then to the 1750 BC death of Hamurabi.
With Abram born nin 2018 BC
arrives in Egypt in 1943 BC as the 1st year
of 12th dynasty
his son is born in 1918 BC
Jacob Israel is born in 1858 BC
he is 77 in Haran in 1781 BC
84 fathering his firstborn son in 1774 BC
and 11 sons with Joseph in 1767 BC
(14 years and leaving in 20 years when
Joseph was 6 and the oldest was 13)
Adam's famous year 2256 mistaken as
the number of years before the Flood is 1770 BC
and is the birth of Judah who becomes his hope
in all the world as the father of a future Christ.
BUT why hope in a baby who is not your firstborn.
Hamurabi was already ruling and taking over the world,
but Moslem tradition says Nimrod was contemporary
with Peleg and that he lived 500 years.
It actually says he measured 500 years and they assume
that means to rule as king 500 years, but do recall that
Jospehus says Adam rule 930 and Noah ruled 950.
So Nimrod would be 2270-1770 BC (year 1756-2256).
With this man who lived so long to be last of the gods,
and Hamurabi boasting his taking over. There is this reason
for Jacob to start raising Judah from birth as the real hope.
Especially since his true wife Rachel like Sarah was barren.
Yes barren until she bore Joseph in 1767 BC
who was 17 when Hamurabi died in 1750 BC.
In this way Jacob deserted his hope in 20-year old
Judah and gave the coat of a king to Joseph
causing the whole scene.
Our dream process is from God, but it is to sort
reality from fantasy. Joseph dream 10 brothers he
had, not the 11 he would have when they bowed down.
And he dreamed of his mother the moon, who no longer
lived, she died giving birth to the 12th son.
But the point is once again Joseph as Osarseph the last 7 years
of 12th dynasty is confirmed by the event of Hamurabi's death
in 1750 BC. Having known this since 1986 AD and posting like this
frequently, where is anyone spredding this truth now 20 years later.
They dont. Truth doesnt survive in todays world, and wont until
the next world soon here in 2 years when its all over with and
only 10 million alive. When all the dead are raised, it is then that
know-it-all scholars will not be able to lead the world telling
these Pharaohs and kings and famous individuals when it is they
did stuff... instead these individuals will be telling THEM and making
them the fools they are right now trying to lead and control us all.
ELIJAH
there are reasons to judge

[RBeron]

looking for record of Jacob's favorite son Joseph and his ruling  there during and after the predicted famine dreampt by Pharou and interpreted by Joseph .
    I heard there was a statue found supposedly of him that was damaged - he was obviously not Egyptian and he was red haired - it had been painted
 Exciting news for me and I may have a pic some where  if I can find it
bj
 

I think you are referring to the research of David Rohl, a controversial yet interesting scholar.  His work with Joseph is detailed in his book, "Pharoahs and Kings".  Here's a picture of the statue you mentioned with considerable alteration.

[Elijah]

every man is a god in his own eyes. He thinks his own timelines are the real discovered solution because he fails to accept the work of others. Or to weigh those works against each other and his own works.

This is why things are ignored that prove true.
Jospeh ended both the 206-year 12th dynasty and
the 213-year 12th dynasty, both chronologies are correct
because the 7 years determined it.
In 1737 BC Pharaoh appoints Joseph who the
Egyptians reject, but in 1730 BC the famine makes
Jospeh the ruler because necessity of food forces it
upon them via the act of God in famine.

Other facts, the messiah or right to rule always being
determined or second guessed by activities.
The choice was Cain or Abel, then Cain or Seth,
Esau or Jacob, Judah or Joseph. Not only was Judah born in the most altering year of all world history Adams 2256 which is 1770 BC
when the king of kings Nimrod died at 500... this is not altered
in Egypt because it was Narmer (Narmer-rod) himself who
created THAT king of kings too. And Melchizedek is not a greater
king of kings because as Shem he died in 1868 BC which left
Eber (Heber of Heberews) among the oldest alive, who then died and left Nimrod (Narmer) as the only god left in the world.
Hamurabi memorialized Nimrod and then declared himself the new king of kings despite short longevity of those days at 137.
After advancing on all the relatives of Abram in Ur and Mari and Harran, is it no wonder that upon dying in 1750 BC that Joseph the only son of Jacob's only true wife gets treated like Isaac with a coat of a king.
This then induces the issue as was between Esau and Jacob,
the split decisions in not only heir to fathers belongings but glorified as the one sure to bring to the world a king of kings in truth.
So there alone you have interlocking years of 1770 BC and 1750 BC and 1737 BC and 1730 BC. Add to that Jacob leaving Haran in 1761 BC after Mari is destroyed in 1763-1762 BC because Jacob was not about to shame Abram and Isaac by becoming a forced enslaved citizen of Chaldea again.
Add to that the Venus of 243 years and 291 years proving Pharaoh's dream year connected to 2029 BC as mass suicide of Ur, and 2030 BC as death of Peleg Mesanipada. Add to that the fact Venus is with the moon Osiris is in 1738 BC of which both Joseph (Osarseph = o Sar Seph) and Moses are equated as this Osariph priest. The evidence is so solid, and yet you people say it is not solid enough. You beleive what you wish to and not in what is. Saing a red haired man is Hebrew not Egyptian is like the claim that you cant have a blond italian. It's a lie, proves nothing. Then to say this red haired man must be Joseph is another lie, maybe its Moses, what ever. You people do not see what verifies things and what does not. Like Cain who insisted you cant take away the killing effects of cynaide when burning a sheep, yet Abel did it, skinned it, and made mouths water from the smell of burnt fat. So you people then killed him. Just like you kept killing until you killed Jesus. You blame religion, butu it doesnt matter religion or commerce or politics or truth, whatever the name the bottom line is kill when you hate being wrong or if its going to change your income.

Like those who hated the fact Jesus cast a demon from a foreteller so then they couldnt make money anymore. Didnt matter what Jesus did, she cant do it know more so lets kill him. You excuse yourself by saying a man has to feed his family on money, yet like the woman who got caught eating her baby, she figured she could always have another baby if she lives and it dies. She figure if she dies the babay cant and wont live. so she ate it saying she was more a mother with feelings than the soldiers and Jews who tried to steal this food from her and were horrified to see it was her baby. This is you people, so trivial until it gets to that point these things start happening.

[Chris Weimer]

Osiris is directly related to  oSar which means the Sar. Sar means 3600 (calendar), it means ruler to measure, evolving into Czar, Tsar, Caesar, Kaisar.

Caesar is a regular Latin word, forming perfectly from Latin roots, and directly gives rise to Tsar (or the alternative spelling, Czar) and Kaisar.

Obviously then Greek hoSar

No it wouldn't. hO in Greek is the definite article, like our "the", entirely unrelated to the actual word it modifies.

[Elijah]

Osiris is directly related to  oSar which means the Sar. Sar means 3600 (calendar), it means ruler to measure, evolving into Czar, Tsar, Caesar, Kaisar.

Utter garbage. Caesar is a regular Latin word, forming perfectly from Latin roots, and directly gives rise to Tsar (or the alternative spelling, Czar) and Kaisar. Don't let this charlatan fool you.

Obviously then Greek hoSar

No it wouldn't. hO in Greek is the definite article, like our "the", entirely unrelated to the actual word it modifies.

 that is exactly what is being relayed in my words, that ha Sar and ho Sar are the same. Words do change like this, Five of Clock becomes five 0-clock just like John of Malley becomes John O-Malley. Here the bible itself says that the two spans are 243 years of Venus versus 291 years of venus from two specitic dates 48 years apart (of which all of it is hinged on king Shulgi's 48 years with Abram) and you are telling me that 3600 new moons in 291 years has nothing to do with a Sar. We all know sar means 3600 whether we say sar or shar. And you cannot prove they could care less about 3600 moons and 3600 days and that they only wish to talk about 3600 years. You lack so much intellect on that path of yours. You think you are correcting me or refuting me by defining Ho for me because your defiant stupidity doesnt see i have already defined for you The Czar and the Tsar as The Sar or The 3600. The calendar was a ruler and even in English 4000 years later wer are calling 12 inches a ruler and our king a ruler also. But of course you say it is rubbish via your mere hate for hearing it. The calendar existed before the king. So it was the calendar that ruled and the calendar that was king. Genesis proves kings were originally collective not sole rulers equivalent to saying elders who rule. To select one as king didnt take the kingship away from the others.
   You cannot say that Saros did not come from Sar because both are calendar astral measurements. Sar today is translated 3600 while saros refers to the 223 lunar months of 18 years. So ho-saros which is Osiris is a pheasible preliminary in evolving words. Tradition says the kings before the Flood created the calendar. In this case it means the ancient ones or elders created it, and it clearly states these were elders or ancient ones because they came down from heaven. Be a true scholar and translate that sar as 3600 days and you find that the calendar was created in Adams year 390 as decades before these men from heaven ruled as klings 970 years before the Flood. Hypocritically, both religion and atheists try to claim the 10 kings are Adam to Noah and yet they always print the 8 king list instead of the 10 king list. DOING THAT LIKE YOU IS INCOMPETENT.
   The lunar Sar for Joseph is founf several times in Genesis as 291 years from Flood to Haran's birth when Terah was 70, measured by his granfather Nahor for 1st dynasty king Elulu who created the intercalary 360-day month between 2091-2066 BC. The 3600 moons is exact middle of the 25 years (2078 BC Jan 7). The 291 years is then found as 2029-1738 BC as Ur's mass suicide including Nahor and Haran to the the year that Pharoah dreamed and gave 7 year rule to Joseph as 1737-1730 BC. Egypts papyrus canon ****s it all 48 years (1785-1778 BC) and starts the 12th dynasty in Shulgi's 1st year 1991 BC instead of his last year 1943 BC.
The argument of whether Abram was 27 in 1991 BC when he moved to Harran (bi-residential) or was 75 when he deserted Ur in 1991 BC or 1943 BC. He was 76 when he came into Egypt in the 12th dynasty's 1st year and Egypt refuted that with a final decision that he did not come in 1991 BC at 75 but rather came in their 48th year. Time units are 48 years for Venus (x365 days), or 49 Julian years for 606 moons, or 50 years (twice 309 moons) at 365 days. Lunar drift in a single year is 12 days, of which Jan 6 and Dec 25 twelve months apart have a 12 day drift which known tradition connects Christmas with Osiris. Osiris came to have the meaning reborn, so the reborn sun, took over the original concept of reborn moon. Meanwhile even Sirius is called reborn as in O-Sirius .
Many people like you (matters not your degrees or not) insist that cultures spred and divide and create words only as you see them. This isnt real because it is like saying our country alone uses only one set of meanings for any word. Sheesh, stupidity not to even recognize that people out there define things any way they wish and then use it every day as such. Words evolve as people want them too. They totally redefined **** from being a slut girl like a dog in heat to snap-biting girl (same dog totally different perspective). Maybe your not old enough to know your own past beck to when you were 5 much less the past 4000 years of your godly nature dude.
ELIJAH
judging the last year as the role requires

[Elijah]

Utter garbage. Caesar is a regular Latin word, forming perfectly from Latin roots, and directly gives rise to Tsar (or the alternative spelling, Czar) and Kaisar. Don't let this charlatan fool you.

A regular Latin word versus and irregular Latin word. A normal regular Latin word versus an abnormal Latin word. I understand now, wow how enlightening. And forming perfectly from Latin roots versus those formed imperfectly from Latin roots. Forming from Latin roots isnt enough words to explain how perfect it is. I understand oh Master. And you make me wonder if others can tell youre all wrong just by saying there is the connection between Caesar and Kaisar is no connection to Czar and Tsar, or do we connect only as YOU wish, or your scholastic cult that trained you. My confusion is how does a plant get roots without a seed that came from a former plant. Duh. Sorry i forgot you dont understand clarifying analogies. Let me rephrase in simple words. From what soil does Latin roots pull up from. Your Latin roots, are they 5 men sitting down who say lets make up a language with sounds from no other language. Lets start a new language in the middle of all world populated history.... or did Latin evolve by itself from the Italian Neanderthals so that it had no connection to the Greeks who evolved from Greek monkeys, or the Egyptians who evolved from the water and had chimps build pyramids. Need I say I puke. Who is the charlatan, the public can decide by seeing who it is that explains. I see nothing explained by you. Because you couldnt possibly take original Latin words and find no relation to the other languages.

[Elijah]

looking for record of Jacob's favorite son Joseph and his ruling  there during and after the predicted famine dreampt by Pharou and interpreted by Joseph .
    I heard there was a statue found supposedly of him that was damaged - he was obviously not Egyptian and he was red haired - it had been painted
 Exciting news for me and I may have a pic some where  if I can find it
bj
 

Has Joseph’s Tomb Been Found in Egypt?

searching the net is easy (keywords = egypt joseph statue)

[Chris Weimer]

Do you speak Latin?

[Whiggamore777]

Ahmed Osman has shown that:
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• Joseph (Bible) = Yuya (Egyptian inscriptions)

Yuya was a chief vizier under Pharaoh Amenhotep III.  Yuya had two sons, Anen and Kheper-Kheperure Ay.  These are Manasseh and Epraim (respectively).

Yuya's daughter became Queen, and mother of Akhenaten, who married Yuya's grand-daughter (Nefertiti). [1]

Yuya had centralized the Egyptian government (Gen 47:20-26).  Then, through the Royal influence of his daughters, the Hebrew Queens, Yuya brought his Monotheism to Egypt — the "Atenist Reformation".

This is the "13 years Tyranny" that Manetho describes (from the Egyptian priest cults' perspective).  Akhenaten, the "Hebrew Pharaoh", was backed by the Shasu bedouin of Edom & Midian, who introduced the god JOH into the Egyptian pantheon (clearly YAH, YAHWEH). 

Eventually, plague broke out in Lower Egypt (spreading throughout the M.East by trade), toppling Akhenaten.  (If it was influenza, caused by decaying animal matter, it could have been inflicted by the Egyptian exiles upriver in Nubia, by wittingly polluting the Nile.)

• Horemheb = Pharaoh of persecution (during whose reign Moses fled to exile abroad)

• Rameses I = Pharaoh of Exodus (died in battle) [2]

• Seti I began his reign with punative expeditions against the Shasu, as he searched for the exiled Hebrews.  They, however, were in Arabia.  Arab sources recall their presence, led by Mosakaya (Moses), Amran (Aaron), and Zaripha (Zipporah). [3]


[1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eighteenth_dynasty_of_Egypt_Family_Tree
[2] Osarseph and Exodus
[3] The "Great and Terrible Wilderness"

[Lysimachus]

There are a lot of theories of who Joseph could be, and I don't discount any of them.  But based on my personal research, I feel that Imhotep, Vizier of Egypt fits the character of Joseph closer than any I've ever seen:

Joseph and Imhotep

Joseph, the Grand Vizier (Genesis 41)

Imhotep, Joseph, and Hebrew Slavery

Were Joseph and Imhotep of Egypt The Same Man?

[Elijah]

Seems to me to be way off the board, maybe Jesse Jackson is Nimrod because they both are famed at the top of religion. Both are black, and on and on and on.

The fact that Moses required a sabbath every 7 years to avoid famine is indication alone that all over the world people caused lengthy famines by the same crop grown and thus depleting the soil minerals. These 7 year famines are even in Abram's day. So where is Joseph!

Ptah is the Tau or cross of Mars, so that Damuzi The Leader (of the calendar New Year (13x360 days = 6x 780 days) becomes known as Tamuzi. The temple that Mena built of Ptah was set up when egyptian year 350 (Noah's year 350 when he died at 950) was 360-day calendar year 955. This is 2 years before Abram's birth. So where is Joseph!

Imhotep is affiliated with pyramids which Moses says failed when Babylon's Tower fell. What that means is what failed for the tower in its 1st year (2240 BC) was also a failure in Babylon's 1st year (1894 BC) and was wasted labor and lives when Babylon ended in 1594 BC at Moses birth.
Precession proves that the shafts as long as the great Pyramids will fail in 92 years. This is why it is no surpise to find third attempts too fail in 276 years (92+92+92) from 2170-1894 BC. Where is Joseph!

==Joseph and Hamurabi==
The fact that Israel was divided in 997 BC by Tamuz according to the Bible, and according to Greek chronology, and Christian Eusebius, and Jew Josephus is not without astral back up, July 10 is the sun crossing over Mars in both 1770 BC and 997 BC. This would be remarkable to Solomon to discover because the 780-day calendar would expect Mars to cycle 780 years not these actual 773 Julian years. I am sure you can divide these 362 synodic orbits of Mars to find the most accurate Mars average you have ever seen. The point is 1770 BC is Judah's birth because this crossing called Tamuz divided the argument of whether kingship belonged to all Israel the father or to just Judah the baby born that year, (and verified with other events such as Nimrod's death at 500 in Year 2256 being 600 after the Flood making Year 3192 as 834 BC placed at 2009 BC.) So if Judah was born in 1770 BC, then Joseph was born in 1767 BC and was 17 in 1750 BC. In 1512 BC an Egyptian named Moses spoke of a man 500 years old named Narmer (Nimrod) who died in Egypt AFTER all his towers all failed. That man was a king of kings (naturally by longevity) who had created the Pharaoh to be a king of kings (head over the house of kings). So when he died it would be natural for Jacob Israel to say his youngest new born infant would be a greater king of kings (though this babe was not his first born). But Babylon's Hamurabi of 1792 BC declared in this 1770 BC that he was king of Babylon and king of the world (4 quarters) and king of kings, THE REPLACEMENT OF NIMROD. Then Jacob Israel's true wife Rachel gives birth to her only baby Joseph, and that king of kings Hamurabi dies in 1750 BC when Joseph is 17. It is CLEAR then that single piece coats of multi-colors is regarded as the reward of an elder (a king) and so to give this 17 year old a coat of a king is to say HERE IS MY SON WHO IS GREATER THAN NIMROD AND GREATER THAN HAMURABI. This alone is going to give the boy dreams of 10 brothers and his mother and father bowing down to him as king. But in reality his mother died and was not there when the dream was claimed to be fulfilled. And Judah still ended up with the original blessing to be christ because it was Judah who saved Joseph from the brothers who would kill him. So now where is Imhotep!

I would expect Imhotep to have a king's coat as much as anyone else, such as Narmer and Nimrod and Hamurabi and Pharaoh etc. It doesnt make him Joseph. Further, we now have two Ptah's for Egypt, that of year 350 (2020 BC) and year 600 (1770 BC) neither which are Joseph.
Does it matter. Faith is not belief in churches on wings of angels or statues that cry tears. Faith is in knowing which chronology and true history you wish to stand by and therefore place your life on. Anything other is media hype for money, even 2000 years ago when they had theatre, and books to read. Did it save them from disaster, corruption, moral decay?
So then what faith which faith will save you from these things. ANSWER:  The faith in scientific fated CAUSE AND EFFECT  Ya Ha Wa Ha..... I am what i am, I Be what I be, I Make what I Make, I do what I do..... can you see that and live by that for success or disaster? yes you can, so do it.

ELIJAH
Everything I write I do so with the knowing Armageddon is here and you have to prepare yourself because billions not listening will die. You will be on your own when it starts. Most will; follow the wrong lead and will die. My job is to judge (proclaim out the doom), but my heart has softened and I really do want those listening to survive, even if i should die. There are alot of loners out her on the net, throwing up their self-constructed bible chron for God, and they die and others put up an honor and praise page of faith in those individual persons. Dont do that for me. What i do i do for you, if you see it, then save yourself, more importantly save your wife and kids even if it kills you. Giving your life to save life is grand. Save those who listen now, not those trapped during the disaster. (less than 7 days to get to the mountains above 6000 ft maybe 11,000 ft after the fire sweeps thru)