Nuweiba Beach and the Red Sea Crossing

[Elijah]

And you forget the factor that suddenly such objects are holy and you cant touch them. This being whether religious people say so, or government says so, or commericialism says so. Dont use this fact to blame just one faction of people as if the others arent guilty of it.

If the artifacts are proven real, then you have descrated them, and if proven not real, then they lose their tourism profits that you have given them by your postulated hypothesis theorems. Jesus noted this when they wanted to kill him for touching people who could prophesy and such people of the spirit would lose their ability. Power and money speak above truth or care or love and concern. The inherent evil of men allow evolution to seem the natural animal order of devour and kill to be on top of the food chain.

Do you not think for one moment this magazine BAS doesnt make decisions based on the income. Of course they do. But the bible tries to warn us this can mean our life and death to be this way whether that warning is some loud judgement, or a soft caring love saying please dont do this.

The scholastic system is not free from budgets and emotions that decide by money whether to touch or not touch. A plane flies over a tribe in Brazil and suddenly it is decided by the Great Protector not to stain these people with the modern world..... HELLO they are seeing planes fly over them. Whether the loggers ever reach them or not, these people see the loggers and their machines.... why do you think the term Big Brother was created. Because Cain thinks he is Big Brother protecting the truth with his fist. He thinks he does it for God, for good, for what's right.
And that's why you cant chop those wheels off to see if they are or not.
By the way, my own family has a big brother who has always done this. I dont go near him or he'll kill me.

[eliyahu hanavi]

There are people who think they debunk a subject or topic by debunking the loudest mouth who mentions it. God should not be judged by Ron Wyatt nor should Nuweiba Beach be debunk for Wyatt. Truth will be truth. I question the depth of the water.

As for the Red Sea wheels, i will share a little something that may have gone Ron Wyatt's way. Back around 1989 i predicted the end would come in a parallel that gave a choice of 1996/97 or 2008/9. CHoosing what i thought was better indication for 1997 i perceived that religions may get their expected 7 years war in 1990, and so predicted war would break out that had to be settled only by global United Nations decree. Because the U.N> will kill the Christ (church) I believed that war of 1990 to have come true for me. However, my 15-year old niece wanted to apply for a college scholarship contest that asked to create ideas you felt would happen before 2000. I cheated, i submitted my theories to the contest for her, until a return letter put her in the finals that required a signature that the ideas were hers. It may have gone to whatever affiliation Ron Wyatt would be around, because it was odd to me that he popped up the next year.

In it (a self booklet printed off my Macintosh computer) I had predicted before 2000 that the chariot wheels would be discovered in the bottom of the Red Sea and showing a printed map-crossing of the Suez shoal.  It really wasnt a prediction as much as it was an attempt to stir desire for others to go look for them, to snorkel or dive etc. Because i do know God, that things occur by what gets around, and they can be caused. Jesus caused his death by choice by knowing whether they would go that far beyond just having him jailed.

I was laid off from the auto industry and working at fast food where First Assembly came in. And they had elders (puffed up heads just like my Kingdom Hall had) who were know it alls. And this one said to me, oh they found the chariot wheels... Ron Wyatt did. So I made a few phone calls. I didnt know where Aqaba was.... got the wrong impression they were referring to the strait at the south end of the Red Sea. But eventually the net showed these so called pictures of wheels in the Sea.
I wondered if Ron Wyatt was triggered to go find by what i wrote, or perhaps triggered to make it up.
COMMENT?
My pref for crossing has not yet changed from Suez to Aqaba, but
I am open to the possible correction.

Highly doubtful. Wyatt claimed to have made the first wheel discoveries back in the late seventies. Just because people didn't (and still don't) run across his supposed "quackery" has little bearing on the facts. If you know God, then you know what He says about prophets? The main reason that few know of the history of this particular fraud is because Wyatt was ignored by the mainstream when no evidence was provided for study and research. When a person makes a claim and then subsequently refuses to allow the "supposed" evidence to be studied, then it is little wonder that nobody of even moderately sound reasoning abilities would believe him/her. Cheers!

[Lysimachus]

Then again, does God work mainly with "mainstream"?  Or does he prefer to work with humble servants without credentials and money?       Was little David "mainstream" when he killed the giant Goliath?

Good thought to ponder.

[Elijah]

I beleive God is a person to be able to create humans who are persons. But I also beleive God has a creation in motion as he relatively in perspective wants it to be. Therefore, it is like the rich man whether he can get into the kingdom or whether it is just hard for him to do so. It doesnt mean God does not speak to all, and work with all. But it does mean the haughty leave (God) truth and lose truth because of atitude. We all know this, so why is it difficult to see this as being God's way and what God wants. Your money can be totally unrelated to the devotion of your works for God. Then it is good. But if you brin gmoney into those works, you risk believing what is wrong or false, or not open to correction because you risk loss of money. So to say God works with humble not haughty is an obvious by way of definition of God... it is like saying saturated things are wet (not dry), or water-tight is dry (not wet), or melancholy is sad (not happy). By definition things of God do not happen for haughty ones. But they do happen for people up until they get haughty from it. Like Moses, i know i am right about many things i have found. But if you dont find it, someone else will... the spirit of God is there with all looking at it, someone will see it, you can be replaced, you do only what you ought to do, so if you think it makes you great, that is when you'll fall and lose the greatness you have. It is true with all things when it says God brings low what is high and then exalts low things to be high. Deal with it.

[pedjazoo]

I always find it a little bit weird when people try to understand and explain God's miracles by 'scientific' reasoning. I think a miracle by definition is that which cannot/should not be explainable through any scientific method.

[Elijah]

God is our Creator.
Nothing he does is a miracle,
everything is done by him,
and it shows and reveals methods
or ways of being done.
This is why there is a right way to do,
and a wrong way to do for humans and angels.

You are correct that words are to be defined,
and the same words can be defined different ways,
true ways and wrong ways.
A miracle is a scientific fact or law not yet understood.
But to know God is to undestand it now,
or seek to understand it some day.
The faith is not just in the fact it was done,
but also in how it was done.
There are many lies and creating a lie about
God is not a good thing in the claim
that it is an unexplained miracle.

For example if you are a Catholic worshipper of
Mary's church in Spain you are told that angels
carried the church (the actual building) from
Jerusalem to Spain. Is it a good thing to say this
miracle happened if it didnt. To realize the science
in miracles (if we dont diminish the miracle such as
say it was a local flood not global) we understand
great works of God as real if we discover the science
in it. Science such as talking on wires is God's miracle
not man's miracle. The concept of telephones and cars
as the devil's machines are based on belief that we
make things that God does not want. However, even
the animals such as beavers build good dams and
bad dams. The instinct alone does not mean the
animal always does good or always does damage.
So it is with man in arguing what we do, is it of God
or is it not and thus rebelling like Satan.
You must never think God wants us not to
build from what we learn. But you must realize
God expects us to see as he does that some things
will go wrong or get worse if we do not turn around.
People define sin as mistake, but it is not mistake.
Sin is either to fall short of what you ought to do
by being deliberate, or it is mistakes we do not
correct, because if corrected it is then no longer a
sin that we took that path of learning.

It is a great sin to beleive miracle powers that
are not God's way, while we attribute awesome
science to Satan or man when such physical
laws are God's works not man's. God is the creator
of all motions, energies, waves, cycles, forces.
The credit of such power is his even when others
use it wrong.
Therefore glory is to God when these forces are understood,
and it does save lives. The problem with saving is this,
do not save a persons life with something that if
like eggs all in one basket is dropped then they have
no immediate alternative to survive and prevent death.

This is why all evidence has culminated this year,
and the internet is to be thank for sites like this,
that if an asteroid hits us on Good Friday Passover
full moon April 9, you must beleive that as 11,000 feet
of water reached the top of 11,000 foot Ararat,
so too now 6000 feet of water will rise on April 16
seven days later. The mantle is solid not liguid.
It does flow. But it does not melt unless the crust
is cracked. On April 9 that impact will crack the crust
everywhere, and the engulfed asteroid will push up the
1 mile ocean crust upward 6000 feet. This will cause
a meltdown under earth's crust meeting midcontinent
everywhere in 7 days as before. The land this
time will drop 6000 feet not 11,000.
So you have 7 days to live thru the fire, and
get above 6000 foot elevation mountains.
It again will stay dropped 150 days to Sep 13.
The mantle is 1800 miles thick, so to melt only
one mile of molten rock between mantle and crust is nothing.
Yet it means drowning 6000 feet of salt water over most of the world.
ELIJAH

The March 10  "potential" i predicted for 2008
could occur in 2009 and be before April 9.
Even without Bin Laden, the world trade is falling already
this year as expected if its armageddon.

[Elijah]

As the crossing topic continues, i know the Red Sea shoal or catwalk is 50 feet deep (6 miles out from north shore and 6 miles across from west to east). But the Aqaba data has said 1000 feet and then 100 feet, and so I don't know what to believe. What speaks for Aqaba is the narrow path that opens to a beach a nation could camp on trapped. What speaks for Aqaba is not the names Musa because all of Suez has all the same names for Musa Oasis and Musa Mountain etc. So that aspect is useless other than allowing Aqaba to be included. Ron Wyatt did make a pitch for the valley below the supposed Sinai as being that a nation could camp at across Aqaba where as traditional Sinai doesnt seem to have much anywhere to do this. In either case, if the voice Moses heard is within him and not truly our impression of someone whispering or shouting in your language like a ghost or the god you worship talking to you, then the internal voice was telling him that the funnel cloud would pave a path. No one can come face to face with you from ahead if you have such power paving the way. This is true now as then and every year that any force of nature can pave forward for you. It is something that can be used not as a destruction but to save you. This is why it is clear to me that Moses saw the process of dividing waters and effect starting before he ever uttered the words as if a command that would be obeyed and occur. In effect it was perception and prediction just as weathermen do. That is why Moses mistakey got an atitude... it wasnt one of God is with me not you, it was an attitude of look I've always been right. And  it is the same skill Jesus developed, one of bring right. This is not intended to make such people such grand gods, butu rather to show us all we should develop our skill or truth about what's true and right about it. Prediction is foresight based on true hindsight. So neither direction on the timeline forward or back can be seen unless you start to see how and what makes it what it was.
God proves to be what he proves to be because he is what he is, so watch, and learn, and see. Or at least realize who does, and not all the charlatans who lead the world and media hype. But I will say the BIble teaches that truth will look like charlatans... it did as science discovered airplanes and telephones etc.