Moses and the Exodus

[notalent]

They are not accurate every 25 years.

http://disc.yourwebapps.com/discussion.cgi?disc=177754;article=8977;title=The%20Ancient%20Near%20Eastern%20Chronology%20Forum

So now 51 years (to 52nd year)
for the date II prt 27 (this date is Mekir 27)
and with my astronomy program I verify the dates below
as all being Mekir 27.

1313 BC Jan 10   or 1302 BC Jan  7
1288 BC Jan 3     or 1278 BC Dec 31
1264 BC Dec 28   or 1253 BC Dec 25
1239 BC Dec 22   or 1228 BC Dec 19.

But the critical question is this, could those same observations from the Ebers papyrus have been made some three centuries later as David Rohl suggests?  If so, then those data points cannot of themselves prevent Ramases II from being Shishak.

[Elijah]

As I stated before, you have the issues of whether a date is true to the moon. The Hebrew calendar now uses rules that forbid certain months to fall on certain days of the week. Or forbids to have only 28 days or to have as much as 31 days as the real moon does. Because of this, it is a lie to say a Hebrew calendar new moon always falls on the actual crescent. It is a calendar, man-made with rules and not the moon. The same applies to Egypt, you can say the 1st of the month is last crescent, or you can say it is absent moon, or you can say it is first crescent. What ever you claim to intepret it as is debateable since those people are dead. Further, people can claim anything, they claim Dec 25 is the winter solstice, it's not. And if it has been it was in 280 BC when Gregorian dates were Dec 21. So too, the norm is for people to hold to a calendar even though  the actual astronomy is drifting from it. Do not forget that the official equinox of 1582 AD was actually already 10 days past the real equinox (ignoring it for 1200 years). What is observed as a last dying moon soon after centuries moves 2 days so that it is a first crescent. This means that unless you have a picture heiroglyph of the actual moon next to the date it clams to be, then how do you know what the word NEW means... does it mean absent or does it mean 1st crescent and is 1st crescent one day or two days from conjunction. As long as the definition can be questioned, then so too it can be placed anywhere in the drift. To lock all chronology on one mere year is foolish. Even this I will say that the WatchTower has only lucked out by counting 537 BC back (70+390+36+480+430+427) to 2370 BC as Flood; they dont even care that 100 astral dates set fixed during that span to prove it all. And yet so is everyone else fixing everything to a single year or astral date or perhaps a span,
and then merging it with another span fixed to another astral date 100s of years before that too, like puzzle pieces fixed with glue to the backing (and the edges cut) to fit other pieces also fixed to backing by glue (to make the edges meet). My point is not trying to say therefore there is no truth, or its your truth or a toss up; rather a consistant concern for all Earth and all worlds and all gradual evolution of calendars and evolution of language proves the timeline to be revealed by seeing all of us from one family Noah. The fact we all disagree is suppose to be realized that we as Noah's family disagree as much as Cain and Abel did. You can resolve it Abel's way or Cain's way.
I stand with Ramses 1290 BC and Division 997 BC and thus Shishak in 993 BC and thus 297 years after Ramses began. The Egyptian Septuagint confirms 1290 BC as year 1800 of a Flood 3090 BC (340+ sothic 1460, and 600+ venus 1200)mistaken 720 years /180 leap days before true Flood 2370 BC. And the Papyrus (1290 BC) and the NeoBabylon Era 747 BC (sothic 740+1460) both confirm the false belief exited from 1290-747 BC that THOTH 1 new year was 2770 BC July 17 as the calendar;
(not the modern 2774 BC July 18, nor traditional 2782 BC July 20 for our past 2000 years at which time now the internet is proving the rebellious sweep of Satan to go back to the disproven 2782 BC to laugh at how the schools and nations go back to trash vomited out so they can make it the new school curriculum again. Satan is laughing and this isn't funny that a spirit striving and driven to push this old cr*p exists and is succeeding.... consuming Wikipedia too. I have tried to asist the fight against it and it is as the Bible says like a Flood slamming its way thru and knocking all truth over.)

[notalent]

I stand with Ramses 1290 BC and Division 997 BC and thus Shishak in 993 BC and thus 297 years after Ramses began. The Egyptian Septuagint confirms 1290 BC as year 1800 of a Flood 3090 BC (340+ sothic 1460, and 600+ venus 1200)mistaken 720 years /180 leap days before true Flood 2370 BC. And the Papyrus (1290 BC) and the NeoBabylon Era 747 BC (sothic 740+1460) both confirm the false belief exited from 1290-747 BC that THOTH 1 new year was 2770 BC July 17 as the calendar;

But 1290 puts Ramases' conquest of Shalem (Salem) smack in the middle of the Judges.  A bit strange there is no mention of the mightiest Pharoah of them all tramping through the Judean hill country laying seige to Jebus/Salem, not to mention the other cities in Israel he destroyed.  Why would there be not a peep from the judges about this massive irruption into the land of Canaan?

[Elijah]

Is this claim of Ramses something new? I havent heard of it. Of course we always have those who will look at another nation as they look at the BIble and say these people just lied thru their teeth grinning.

After Googling the topic and reading I am of the opinion this Pharaoh is full of it. He is raising up the New Kingdom (sothic 1310 BC as Thoth 1 on July 17 in the claims that the Hyksos did not create the calendar on Pamenot 1 2030 BC July 17) since what you say is the New Kingdom of Exodus (1513 BC sothic 720 years from Ur 2233 BC and Flood) was powerless and was taken by Hyksos Amelek. It could be Ramses simply rose up in Egypt and eliminated those he felt were Semetics and Israelis in Egypt from 1513-1290 BC. As far as Israel exodus is concerned, anyone left behind in Egypt is no longer Israel, and remain as foreign intruders. This is because from conquest by Joshua starting 1473 BC to Assyria taking Samaria in 740 BC there is no destruction of Israel ever at all. Think a moment, how can this king claim any conquest ever at all prior to the Assyrian success at it. According to Judges, the land had no disturbance from anyone during the New Kingdom (whether 1314 BC or 1310 or 1290) until 1286 BC when Midian attacked for 7 years which then Gideon stopped it for 40 years until Abimelech attacked in 1239 BC the 52nd year of Ramses. Perhaps it was Ramses who negotiated this take over by Abimeleck for 3 years until 1236 BC.

[Elijah]

As for previous remark in this thread of Hamurabi elevating Marduk, let me correct that by refining it. Marduk is a calendar matching the 360-day year and (as 780 days for 6 orbits every 13 years) it is thus the Leader of the calendar new year, and so is called Damuzi the Leader. As such it meets at the four points of equinox and solstice every 52 years (x360 days); an advance of 92 days such as Ninevah's April 2060 BC to Marduk Street's July 2009 BC.

This artificial count was our divine future in the fact it would fall on the new year of year 6000 (our Gregorian May 17 of 1913 AD). However, any change in Earth's spin from 360 days to 365 days is not changing other planets. These people were smarter than today's scholars who come up with stupid ideas that Venus and Mars went out of orbit to hit Earth. These people know that the astral impact of the Flood means that asteroids are out of orbit and not our Venus or Mars. When Venus and Mars are absent, they did not come down from heaven as big rocks to strike us, nor are they visiting in human form on earth. But since Venus and Mars can be counted by days it allows a means of marking dates of asteroids and comets that they could see until close encounters. In other words if we use eclipses to better determine astral movement not just of the moon but all laws of motion in space, it doesnt mean we beleive the moon is destroying the sun each time. So too, alignments of Venus and Mars do not bring asteroids, nor is it these planets that hit Earth, but the asteroids did and the calendars of Sothis, and Venus, and Mars are merely being used to calculate time before we do get hit by an asteroid. Thus these people mark the meeting of Mars and Venus (about every 2 years) but only the significant ones in the direction of the specific zodiac constellation, and season of year. When doing so, we then have these modern men who say Mars and Venus left orbit to hit Earth. You tell me who is smarter, Hamurabi or Velchovski, because here is what Hamurabi did. If 156 years of 360 days is 3x 52 year Mars, 12x 13 year Mars, 72 orbits of 780 day Mars; then add one orbit of 780 day Mars and these 73 orbits of 780 day Mars is 156x 365 days. With the Egyptian calendar created in 2030 BC the egyptian dates did exist to prove this 156 years from 1926-1770 BC...
= 7th month Toth 1, Dec 18 of 1926 BC
as 127 days after Aug 13 Tamuz on Pakon 24
to 7th month Toth 1, Nov 9 of 1770 BC
as 122 days after July 10 Tamuz on Pakon 29.
Interesting factor here is that after the Exodus when epagum days were moved from Pamenot to Toth as new year, then the Julian Aug 13 date in 1926 BC becomes reckoned as Pakon 29 inducing false support of an unaltered calendar.

Hamurabi's faith is thus if the rise of Mars in 1913 AD as year 6000 does not bring an asteroid hit in 1914 AD, it will prove that God did not determine year 6000 in the 360-day calendar but rather the 365-day calendar which extends 59.5 years beyond it (4344x 360 days versus 4344x 365 days) and if Sothic (Julian) then even another 1086 days (3 years) beyond that too. Thus Hamurabi created in year 1770 BC his 23rd year a calendar of 3744 years of 365 days. Today this calendar is found to have been restructured by the Maya in 1314 BC to count from 3114 BC as the Flood and end in 630 AD for a christ king. The true count of the new Marduk uses the 7th month Toth as the Marduk new year (1770 BC Nov 9) following a July 10 Tamuz (sun crossing over Mars) and so ends the original true Hamurabi Toth Marduk new year on 1973 AD April 30 following a Tamuz of 1972 AD Sep 9 (sun crossing over Mars).

1913 AD May 4 (Greg. May 17) original Marduk new year
              of 360 day calendar for year 6000
1973 AD April 17 (Greg.Apr 30) =Toth 1 Marduk New Year
              of 365 day calendar for year 6000
  936 leap days of 3744 years
1975 AD Nov 9 (Greg. Nov 22) Julian year 6000 based on
              Julian Nov 9 date of Toth 1 of year 2256 in 1770 BC

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FALSE CLAIM OF 3600-YEAR MARDUK
The confusion of 3600 years is not some planet Marduk that orbits 3600 years, but rather it is Venus.
3x 1200 egyptian year Venus is 3600 egyptian years
1200 egyptian years = 1199 Julian 65 days but
Venus position drifts 60 days and so is 1199 Julian 5 days
times three cycles makes the 3600 year Venus calendar as
3597 years and 15 days.
However, refining Venus to 243 Julian years created a rotation of the Venus pentacle as 1215 Julian years which translates in the 8 year cycle as 1216 egyptian years.
Thus three cycles as 3597 Julian years (3600 egyptian)
could be debated as 3645 Julian years (3648 egyptian).
It is interesting here that the 3600 years from the death of king Amizaduga measuring this Venus in 1625 BC to a future 3600 years as year 2400 to year 6000 (in 1972 AD)
can be confused with this 3648 calendar years if trying to link it to king Shulgi measuring Venus for 48 years from 1991-1943 BC.

How does Venus and Marduk get confused. It is because Hamurabi's calendar merged with Egypt's to form an alignment between 780-day Mars and 584-day Venus. Every 312x 365 days and 936x 365 days where 12x 312 years is 3744 and 4x 936 years is 3744. The problem is that Venus is shy 2 days every 40 years as Moses noted. This adds up to 187 days out of phase with Mars in 3744 years. The 3600-year calendar by Amizaduga corrects this but as a whole new calendar. In the 1200-year calendar you must subtract 60 days (2 days per 40 years). The confusion occurs because he does this in 1625 BC when it is year 2400 and 3600 years more to year 6000. But the knowledge had been obtained in 1770 BC
Adams year 2256 is Noahs year 1200)
with 600 years after the Flood proving Venus had rotated a full 1200 years in this year 1200 of Noah. But the 3744-year calendar does not utilize this atonement of days for Venus because then (if correcting Venus) it wouldnt have days to honor the meeting of the two calendars Venus and Mars... DO NOT CONCLUDE THIS MEANS THE REAL VENUS AND MARS MEET IN THE SKY ON THESE ARTIFICAL DATE AVERAGES. So the formula for a 1200 year Venus was created on July 10 of 1770 BC based on Jan 6 of 2369 BC, knowing that Venus made full circle in 1200 years but that only the 600 years after the Flood could create a day formula because the Earth had changed from the asteroid Flood impact.

Anyone who researches and studies and investigates and learns can see things (perhaps things that are not true), but the study must be done (nothing ventured nothing gained); and I understand the process of people condemning the ones they see as wrong if they also see a path of bad results coming from it. I can only hope you see what I do, that this math and astronomy was their glory in that it marked our generation to look for an asteroid as if divinely warned for us well ahead of time.

My only possible revision is truly a joke because it notes that the movie 2012 drowning the Earth is released Nov 13 which is (40+7) days after Yom Kippur which says hmm is this sacrifice of church followed by 40 days to asteroid and 7 days to continental plunge in baptism of the wicked. The movie China Syndrome with Mike Douglas and Jane Fonda was released and in that week 7 mile island exploded its radiation. Do spirits of Satan and God cause these? Did God's spirit direct the movie to align with Satan's negligence that released at 7 mile island? If so, then what happens if we see the sacrifice Sep 27 Yom Kippur, get hit by an asteroid 40 days later, and then what, sit in a movie theatre waiting for the LIVE EFFECTS God provides ?  LOL
ah sheesh
You won't hear much more from me, because between my own financial disasters and the fact that this year as the 32nd of Artaxerxes does close on Rosh Hashana Sep 18 ending the 104 years of restoring Jerusalem (I have no prophecy beyond this year). Yes I agree I said no concept after Passover 2009, but i forgot the year does run 2008-2009 Tishri, and i assumed sacrifice first means 2008 Tishri (as I had said 1996 Tishri), and where upon Passover 1997 failed, I presumed it would also be all vain after Passover 2009. When I went to Mount Ararat on March 7, would I or could I have caused a prePassover incident worldwide for April 9. Would it have resulted in the death of the church on Passover? What about my having gone now again, yet I returned without attempt. Yeh I know I know you feel this extension from Passover to Yom Kippur is just to torture you more.