Exodus was the April full moon of 1513 BC

[notalent]

... There is more, but that's the basic framework of it.

Thanks for sharing.  There is some harmony in it.  I like the exploration of the idea that Akhenaten borrowed monotheism from the Hebrews.  And perhaps people are slowly being forced to a realization that conventional Egyptian chronology is untenable.

[Irishman]

Well, I don't know how far I'd be willing to accuse Egyptian chronology of being untenable. I will say that anyone who creates a chronology is, to a large degree, married to that chronology, and very slow to change to accept anything that might change that.

Even our pal Kitchen who has done a lot of work on the TIP chronologies.

I will say that, to a degree, these chronologies must only serve as a malleable framework until such time as new information comes to our attention that can shed more light on those periods.

So, that's why I have no real problems exploring the possibilities of an Amenhotep III Exodus, sliding those regnal dates to see if it can bend without breaking. If the chronology can do that and emerge largely unscathed, then all the better.

Chronologies are difficult. I don't know if you've ever tried to create one. That's why scholars are so thankful for those  anchor points provided by things like known regnal dates of a contemporary, a dateable event like an eclipse, etc. Thank God we have people who are really good at celestial mechanics!

As far as the miracles go - I'm surprised noone has mentioned the fact that there's no documented plagues like those in the Hebrew Bible in the time of Amenhotep III.

While that's true, I think that everyone, scholars and laypeople alike, have been unnecessarily hung up on identifying those plagues, and using that to hang their own chronologies on. That's what has led some (most infamously Velikovsky) to conclude that the Ipuwer Papyrus tells the story from the Egyptian side.

And it may, but there's no proof that the Papyrus dates to the 1850-1600 BCE period, like Halpern and others promoted. Interestingly enough, the surviving copy of the text does date to sometime to the later 13th century BCE (19th Dynasty, which was the next Dynasty to assume power after the family of Akhenaten). Hmmmm....

So, I decided to look at the issue apart from trying to pigeonhole the plagues into my dating. For me, the biblical plagues don't need scientific proof to have validity. There are so many reasons why the Egyptian side of the story would not have been written. For me, there's enough.

My attitude might be maddeningly frustrating, but that's where I am now. 20 years ago I probably would have been one of those who screamed "No! You have to explain everything! YYou're just not looking hard enough!"

Not anymore. I have a different expectation about what is realistic and not.

[Elijah]

I am pretty sure mostly every Pharaoh's body is missing.

You're joking, right?

(Not referring to all dynasties and all Egypt silly. Duh King Tut.) Psalms of Moses says Pharaoh died in the Red Sea.  We have scholars who will say the Exodus Pharaoh is someone whose body we have, sorry, cant be him then. Or do you think they found his body on the east shore. Either way he died that year, so that makes father and son dead the same year. But then you just cant take all the Pharaohs whose bodies are missing and say that each one is the exodus Pharaoh. So my point is that such an issue is made of saying either it is missing and so it is him, or usually this is him, but we have his body. Only problem is they dont end his rule with a dead body of exodus year, but continue his rule as if he didnt die contrary to Psalm.

[Irishman]

You're joking, right?

[eccles]

Oh blimey
Elijah has really blown it this time. He states that his "water canopy" it true because Genesis says it is true. He does not know about circular logic meaning - prove the bible is true with the bible. 'God wrote the bible" That is true because "God" said so. What "God"!

Why did Elijah make this statement in this Forum - Biblical Archaeology:

"My request is, Barrack Obama you must set my people free.
As Moses came to Pharaoh, now Jehovah comes to you Obama.
It matters not whether you are Christian or Moslem,
the Christians expect you as Christian, and the Moslems expect you to return to Moslem. But Jehovah demands that you merely let his people free. You must allow them to leave for the mountains to worship Jehovah.
ELIJAH"

Anyone of any intelligence knows the bible, especially Genesis and Exodus is not true, even the "Holy" Roman Catholic Church has recently admitted it.

There is no archaeological evidence the Exodus ever happened.

In an interview Dr. Zahi Hawass, head of the Egyptian Supreme Council of Antiquities was asked:

Whitney: I have one last question. Who do you think was the pharaoh of the Exodus?

Zahi: We do not know. We have no evidence, at all. Nothing in archaeology can show this. We have only one thing at the Cairo Museum, the stela of Merneptah, that’s it. But we don’t know. There is one scene from a tomb of Dynasty 12 that has a name Ibsha, people say it is Abraham, but we are not sure.

Full interview:
http://www.guardians.net/spotlite/spotlite-hawass-2008.htm

I will see if my "Starry Night" software can show the full moon at the year mentioned.

[Elijah]

You're joking, right?

Go back, post was modified to explain missing Pharaoh bodies.

Also I would like to explain my thread title. It is not a proposal of 1513 BC which I have known as 1513 BC since I was born (not being my calculated year for it, I just found all the proof for it). The thread is not about 1513 BC, but rather which moon was it, March or April. Julian March is Gregorian February, and Julian April is Gregorian March. So a March full moon is not spring equinox as April is. Another issue here is the short Genesis requires Pamenot as new year not Toth until Exodus (1513 BC). This calendar shift is specifically a change of world corrections around the whole planet. You cannot pick any ole exodus year based on Egypt and Israel alone. The calendar must be accounted for on the whole planet. Only 1513 BC does this.

The evidence thus indicates that in 2030 BC a Pamenot month as new year was a Nisan moon in Julian July (the 25 year calendar not 19 year calendar), G.June.

120 years lacks 30 leap days

So then the Pamenot month and Nisan moon when Babylon's astronomy shamed Egyptian pyramids in 1894 BC was Julian June (G.May). When Hamurabi died in 1750 BC (Joseph 17) the Pamenot month and Nisan moon was Julian May (G.April). When Amizaduga logged lunar dates in 1625 BC the Pamenot month and Nisan moon was Julian April (G.March). When the exodus came the Pamenot month and Nisan moon was Julian March (G.February). Which is why Moses would have to start an Abib moon in Julian April (G.March) to ignore the Nisan moon of Julian March (G.Feb) used by  Egypt and Babylon until 1442 BC which is known to be the 1st year of Babylon's 19-year cycle (and it is Hindu assumption that year 1442 BC goes back to 1898 BC, but Jewish 1443 BC as Joshua's last year is assumed to go back to 1899 BC). This lie then claims existing 3rd dynasty Ur lunar cycle of 19 years was already civil on paper when Ur fell. The Hindu year 1900 BC assumed as 1200 year Venus after the Flood 3102-310 BC as Noah's year 1200 after Flood. Naohs true year 1200 is from his birth 2970 BC measured from the Flood 2370 BC until Hamurabi 1770 BC declares himself as Nimrod's replacement because Nimrod (Narmer) died Abydos Egypt at 500 as the last human god, the same year baby Judah was born in Syria. THE BIBLE IS ABOUT RESTORING LONGEVITY. If you wish to mock that, and you dont want to live that long then we the surviving world can arrange your death at Armageddon or after Armageddon. Karma, you bring your own death on yourself; shunning you allows you to die on your own, off on your own.

Pamenot 1 = 2030 BC July 17    G.Jun 30
Pamenot 1 = 1910 BC June 17   G.May 31
Pamenot 1 = 1790 BC May 18    G.May 3
Pamenot 1 = 1670 BC April 18    G.Apr 4
Pamenot 1 = 1550 BC March 19  G.Mar 5
Pamenot 1 = 1514 BC March 10   G.Feb 24
Pamenot 1 = 1513 BC March 4    G.Feb 18
Pamenot 1 = 1473 BC Feb 23     G.Feb 10
Pamenot 1 = 1443 BC Feb 15     G.Feb  2

As you can see there is no way to have an exodus 200 years before or after 1513 BC without changing the calendar by a month or two. You lose all global world correlation by other years of exodus that you keep solid and fully explained by 1513 BC. The Seder Olam exodus of 1313 BC relies on Julian January and July in Egyptian calendar (with a ridiculous Flood of 2105 BC) instead of Gregorian March and September 1513 BC. The Greeks place September 1 on Thoth 1 of 2957 BC as ending the Flood which then places Thoth 1 on Sep 6 of 1514 BC acknowledging their beleif the five epagum days started on Sep 1 that year. (And their exodus is shifted in Eusebius to 1511 BC.) The calendars and astronomy do not lie, the correct interpreation by the correct interpretor must be made. If you reject me, then who is the ONE MAN you will accept. People who reject Jesus choose Buddha or Mohammed. What about now the living not those dead, which one will you accept, is Isaac Asimov yor god, or will it be yourself only.

[eccles]

ELijah,
What is all this about:

 THE BIBLE IS ABOUT RESTORING LONGEVITY. If you wish to mock that, and you dont want to live that long then we the surviving world can arrange your death at Armageddon or after Armageddon. Karma, you bring your own death on yourself; shunning you allows you to die on your own, off on your own.

Armageddon? Great movie with Will Smith about alien attacks on Earth.

I completely reject all you wrote. As I will be 70 next February and I have no more heart attacks and my diabetes does not kill me, I might be lucky and live another 20 years.

I repeat this question you did not answer:

Why did Elijah make this statement in this Forum - Biblical Archaeology:

"My request is, Barrack Obama you must set my people free.
As Moses came to Pharaoh, now Jehovah comes to you Obama.
It matters not whether you are Christian or Moslem,
the Christians expect you as Christian, and the Moslems expect you to return to Moslem. But Jehovah demands that you merely let his people free. You must allow them to leave for the mountains to worship Jehovah.
ELIJAH"

What has that got to do with this topic?

[Elijah]

Karma returns to you again; the movie Armageddon is Bruce Willis about an asteroid hitting Earth and he gets to be the Savior. Will Smith and the aliens is the movie Independence Day. Of course if entertained is all you are, it wouldnt matter. But if gathering world awareness on whats more reality the asteroid or the alien, maybe you should google more on it.

Topic relativity?   Exodus II. watch it this year at theatres soon.

[eccles]

I stand corrected about movie titles. I have 800 DVDs

However PLEASE ANSWER:

I repeat this question you did not answer:

Why did Elijah make this statement in this Forum - Biblical Archaeology:

"My request is, Barrack Obama you must set my people free.
As Moses came to Pharaoh, now Jehovah comes to you Obama.
It matters not whether you are Christian or Moslem,
the Christians expect you as Christian, and the Moslems expect you to return to Moslem. But Jehovah demands that you merely let his people free. You must allow them to leave for the mountains to worship Jehovah.
ELIJAH"

What has that got to do with this topic?

[Elijah]

And I repeat Exodus II

[eccles]

Ok,
But what has Barrack Obama got to do with it?

[Elijah]

this is not a chat blog

[eccles]

I don't care what it is.
 Why don't you answer my question. You made the statement, you must be prepared to explain it.

[Elijah]

You are thru