wooley and the flood

[archaeologist]

here is a questionthat popped into my mind just now.  i do not recall if it has ever een said and i have never seen a figure in any of the books i have read on the flood.

how deep did woolley have to dig to get to the virgin soil he claimed was evidence for the flood?

simple question should bring simple answers.

[eliyahu hanavi]

From here:

McClung Museum - Royal Tombs of UR - Woolley and the Great
Flood

I derive about 47-50 feet when he reached the layer of silt/clay which was about 12 ft. thick according to this site. I saw elsewhere about 8 feet thick, but haven't seen lower than that estimate. The site mentions an excerpt from a book...

C. Leonard Woolley: Excavations at Ur.
New York: Apollo Editions, 1965, p. 27

I presume that the book goes into much more detail about the digs, but I don't know for certain. Cheers!

[archaeologist]

thank you.  i find this an interesting topic and the 3 floods mentioned woul dbe a great comparison study of depth, similarities and consistancies.

[eliyahu hanavi]

No problem. I also would like to know more about the proposed depths of these local floods. If you find any of that then let me know. If not, then I will have to wait until my next book purchase or library visit.

[Admin1]

Can someone help a noob out? 

Does wooley propose that the flood was truly global? ...that is, truly covering all of planet earth? ...to include the highest mountain(s)?

[eliyahu hanavi]

I believe that Wooley thought he found evidence of the Biblical Flood with his discovery. However, it is my understanding that the layer is not over the entire city much less consistent with strata from other cities in Mesopotamia. There really does not seem to be any evidence of a universal flood. The Biblical text seems to support a more localized geographical event if you ask me. Remember that most of the time when the Bible used such language as "all the land" or "all the earth" that it was hyperbole used to describe God's destructive power. Consider the various plagues that were throughout "all the land" (when they were indeed local).

Of course, any are welcome to disagree, but I think an honest assessment of the text will bear the above out. Cheers!

[Admin1]

I'm with those who believe it was local.

I like the Black Sea deluge theory.

[eliyahu hanavi]

I'm with those who believe it was local.

I like the Black Sea deluge theory.

Yeah, I've heard of that theory, but have yet to research much of it. I will be doing so as soon as possible in order to check it out. Due to its proximity to the ancient kingdom of Urartu, it is certainly an interesting proposal. I'm glad you mentioned it as I had nearly forgotten about that prospect. Cheers!

[Admin1]

A wonderful book that you can get fairly cheap:

Before The Flood, by Ian Wilson.

[archaeologist]

Does wooley propose that the flood was truly global? ...that is, truly covering all of planet earth? ...to include the highest mountain(s)?

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he originally thought it was evidence for noah's flood but because the flood layer was not consistant he was made to recant his position.

 i think he was right, if you look at what he found UNDERNEATH that layer and compare it with what was ABOVE it.

I like the Black Sea deluge theory.

you could probably combine the pieces of evidence from both wooley and the black sea and come up with a more complete picture of what took place. 

but then you have to add in the evidence found in south america, canada and other spots in the world which show animals gathering together in fear of something catastophic.

don't forget the sunken villages off turkey and india

plus you need to see  that human bones are mixed in with those skeletons, which could not happen if the events killing both human and animals were two separate acts.

Before The Flood, by Ian Wilson.

this book is okay, been awhile since i have read it but keep in mind theories which which are too limited and tend to localize the flood or diminish the severity of the Biblical account usually have flaws in them which make them wrong or in desparate need of work.

[eccles]

I just googled for Woolley and the Great Flood and found this site:
http://www.livius.org/fa-fn/flood/flood5.html

I think it clears up the matter.

[Elijah]

Things written 100 years ago are not neccesarily the clearing up of a matter. I wouldnt have to Google none of that because I have studied it back in 1983 and since 1983. And dont take this as an indication I didnt reskim the whole webpage which barely touches the subject. Gilgamesh clearly goes to visit Noah which Moses says is 340 years from the Flood until human death from longevity began. It is clearly then why the altered version give Gilgamesh the power to go into the underworld when Noah's death is then thrown by false astronomy back 400 years before Gilgamesh.

As for the Black Sea theory, as ice melts and raises the sea toward the land of Ararat (but not its mountain), this isnt going to flow over the Taurus mountains to go pouring down the Euphrates. Are we talking a mile high ice cap over Turkish valleys already a mile high between mountains another mile high? I think I like the big water fall thru the straits of Gibralter's pillars of Hercules. My ancestors used to live in the dry Mediteranean before that Flood came.

Clay mud will settle where the valleys are; you will not have 12 feet of clay everywhere on the planet just because the water comes in over everything. Achorage was hit by a tsunami, in the photos, where is the clay everywhere the water went? It isnt.

People dont look for evidence, they look for criticism. The one's in a jury shouting not-guilty just happen to out number those wanting the story dead... and many times they dont outnumber. Buying your way thru court doesnt mean youre guilty, but look at the innocent put to detah because they didnt have the money to shut the jury up. I think our Jesus proved that. Man is not allowed to live with society permission by miraculous healing alone, (too many doctors jobs lost).

I admire wooley for his recognizing two holes to a wooden harp no longer existing, and so he filled the holes with plaster and dug out the plaster harp.
I also admire him for reconizing that the mummy in suicide was a princess and that the rolled up aluminum tinsel tiara in her fist was proof she did not beleive she was going to heaven in this suicide. That event was the one intended to lead the way for 144,000 to encourage them to also willingly die. (dated Koyak 25 on May 6 of 2029 BC all astral myths in the world fit this event 340 years after the Flood)