Black Sea (Deluge Theory)

[Admin1]

I've just read Ian Wilson's Before the Flood for the 3rd time in a couple years.

What awesome stuff!  And that Goddard was involved makes it even more exciting... Back in 2000 he was there: National Geographic pumped it up and did a special on it, and Goddard was to report his detailed findings, but both his site and the the NatGeo site only have the old info...no reports or updates.

http://www.nationalgeographic.com/blacksea/ax/frame.html

Wikipedia's got a pretty bum, one-sided article on it... I'll add editing it to my list of a zillion things I'd like to do

Has anyone ever seen follow up reports on Goddard's findings?  I'm surprised to find little vocal support for this theory.  Do mainstream archaeologists and historians just not buy it?

[RamboPreacher]

I will be upfront and say that I have not completely read the NG site and all the postings.  I will read it as I get time.  and as for wikipedia - well, I just won't go there.  I have some bias (not positive) about wikipedia and anything that has anything to do with "Biblical issues" and information.

So take my comments with a grain of salt, or well, maybe a salt-lick if that's necessary

There are many flood stories and myths in just about every culture.  One of the things I personally have had to discuss with some is that there is an apriori that says that the Genesis account(s?) are based on "earlier" accounts, and specifically the Gilgamesh Epic and the Atrahasis Epic.

that paradigm comes from authors that say things like:

"It is clear that Hebrew tradition must have received its material from some intermediate … source, and that it proceeded to adjust the data to its own needs and concepts." - E.A. Speiser, Genesis (1960s?)

My thought is initially that the accounts may have been available at the times of the writing of Genesis, but why the assumption that those accounts were used as "sources" and modified to fit the Genesis account.

I submit that the accounts WERE available, not simply because therer were many flood stories, but because there was a prevalent one, that was oral and had not been written by Hebraic authors yet.  in other words, the "story" of the Genesis account was the original, but the Mesopotamian authors did the changing of the tradition to suit their current mindset and understanding of the Gods.

Do I have proof?  of course not, but that doesn't' mean I can't believe it (until proven incorrect).

but back to the black sea area floods.  is this even the right place to look?  shouldn't the evidences of catastrophic flooding be more in Northern Mesopotamia? Are we talking about the area of the mountains of Ararat, or Mt. Ararat?  I am not expert, but the entire range is a very large area, and more "Biblical" (assuming the Biblical reference is "historical" - which may or may not be an assumption held by all, I suppose).

just my limited-trained opinion.

[Admin1]

but back to the black sea area floods.  is this even the right place to look?  shouldn't the evidences of catastrophic flooding be more in Northern Mesopotamia?

Wilson gives excellent historical and archaeological data - packed with references - that defends well the position that it is indeed the right place to look.

It's an older book that can be found used pretty cheap.  I highly recommend it.  I think I can say that whether a person agrees or disagrees with his summary of the evidence, they should at least agree that the argument is presented well.

[archaeologist]

i have read both ian wilson's book and ryan & pittmans work  and i hink they provide great evidence for the flood but i am not on board with their theories.

ryan and pittman, along with the recent discoveries off the coast of india, have shown that all the water did not disappear but some was left which changed the geography of the world.

this added water covers the natural landridges which connect so many islands and covers the evidence as to how Noah was able to get all the animals he was supposed to on the ark

[eliyahu hanavi]

Well, I like the various theories, but I believe that the Flood Story was a localized event and was referring to the Adamic peoples in the area. The textual support is very strong. That there are numerous flood legends does not surprise me as various groups in differing geographical locations would have all had some major local floods at one time or another. This does not mean that a universal flood served as some pre-defined archetype for future mythologies.

[Elijah]

Well, I like the various theories, but I believe that the Flood Story was a localized event and was referring to the Adamic peoples in the area. The textual support is very strong. That there are numerous flood legends does not surprise me as various groups in differing geographical locations would have all had some major local floods at one time or another. This does not mean that a universal flood served as some pre-defined archetype for future mythologies.

Well this was good timing. Today while i was working on Venus calculations of Amizaduga's tablets... little more extra work because i found that the egyptian dates i used 20 years ago were three days off in one chart, and 10 days off in another. But I regularly ALWAYS look for additional miscalculations in all Flood epoch dates, and i found a new one. Preliminary info so you know foundation is..... 5500 BC Adam is based on the tablets presumed by the people of the Hindus River to beleive they were written in 1900 BC when Ur fell and not 1626 BC when Babylob started its 30 year fall. The second error is they are presumed year 3600 when they are instead year 2400 and were mass copied with intent for people to count the future 3600 years of Babylon. Next there is Marduk whose year 2256 +3744 (used by Mayans) was presumed the Flood and so the first of four calendar cycles of 936 (3744= 4x 936) or Adams year 3192 was mistaken as 2256+936. This evolved due to astral problems into others who insited the post Flood star was 950 or 930 and of course then it chnaged the formula to 3192 = 2242 +950 and also 2262 +930. Now for the discovery (which is always related to exodus or Hyksos or migrations between Chaldea and Egypt either into each other or out into the world). Many call it the Sothic exodus. Hippolytus accepts the 5500 BC Adam but he uses the 2242 years as does the Greeks. And this is why the 300 years of Babylon stays constant. As in- 5500 BC Adam versus Greek 5200 BC Adam, 3258 BC Flood versus Greek 2958 BC Flood, 1900 BC shar versus 1600 BC shar.
What i discovered is that 3258 BC Flood is 1488 years to 1770 BC. This is the same as the Maya use. Sothic is 1460 = 720+720+20 where 720 = 180 leap days. But seasonal is 744+744+20 = 1508 where 744 is 180 leap days. Twice 744 is 1488 and normally with the real Flood year as 2370 BC, you have 744 before it as a 3114 BC Flood miscalculation, and 744 after it when it was Amizaduga that calculated the 180 leap days as seasonal.
But here we have Hippolytus using a Flood of 3258 BC because he sees the same 1488 years as this seasonal cycle of 360 gregorian leap days as being 1770 BC.... now that is awesome. WHY, because 1770 BC is the real year 2256. It is the year the Maya use as Adam's 3600.

Like i said all people and all things are traceable back to Adam.
When a Google sci.archeology board argued that evolution is fact because crayons on the wall, and ice cream on the floor is sufficient evidence to know the little boy around the corner with crayons and ice cream did it. Well that was suppose to prove evolution, but i saw a little girl run up to him and say hey hold this.

[Elijah]

a post Deluge deluge means for the coastal shores
to be flooded after the great polar ice caps melt back.
If Genesis is correct in green house water canopy,
then the first ice caps formed from that 40-day event
in cataclysm. Those caps would then melt back rapidly
and cause secondary great floods.
The Black sea filling up would be such,
just as the great lakes are.
The caps on a carbon-14 curve would convert a biblical
2370-2320 BC 50 years and get misdated as
20,000 for 2370 BC and 10,000 for 2320 BC
and thus 7000 BC for Jericho in 2237 BC.
This means flooding of the black sea and
great lakes occurs in 2320 BC as 50 years after
the ocean floors had been lifted 11,000 feet
to sea level. Do remember they say if the world
were smoothed out it covers 2 miles (11,000 feet)
and Mount Ararat is 11,000 feet above its continental
base, so then that means the surface of the tectonic
plates did level out smooth. The ocean of Noah
covering Mount Ararat was as deep over the Pacific
cloor as it was over continental land until the oceans
collapsed back down. The land then got a fresh water
washing from all the ice melting which incidently kept
all fresh water fish alive for the whole Flood year
and following 50 years. So the concept of ice cap melting
creating deluge is not anti-Genesis, it is post Flood deluging.
Just as their is postDeluge volcanism from 2370-1513 BC
including Sodom of 1919 BC and Thera of 1514 BC.
This is about to occur again when the next impact triggers it.
Thats why I keep asking, how to protect our car computer
from the EMF shock wave of an impact so we can drive it
to the mountains above the water when the oceans come up again.
Television documanetaries are saying 200-500 feet of water.
But the data of Noah's Flood is strongly implying that the last
impact causing 11,000 feet is easily an expectation this time of
5000-6000 feet. The predictions of government and religion are merely
attempts to produce some accurate foresight regarding man,
so that the scientific warning of impact following it will be
respected enough to act on it and save yourself. There will always
be the miscalculations. If your tornado goes thru St Paul
instead of Minnieapolis do you say the weather man is a false prophet.
If it goes thru Fort Worth instead of Dallas? What if people
change so it doesnt happen, like Ninevah, do you then say
ok we did as Jonah said because our own scholars proved it to
us, so by preventing it we can now call Jonah a false prophet.
Please, its the message not the messenger. Things will soon
happen that others thought would have happened 20-30 years
ago.... wrong time guess, but correct regarding its manner.

HOW DOES ANYONE KNOW THERE REALLY WAS AN ASTEROID
IN 65 MILLION YEARS ..... its a theory, just like Genesis data.