Josephus

[Brianroy]

Richard, aka. "Elijah",
   
 Look, maybe you need an "intervention"...I don't know, nor am I interested ...but you need to be informed that you never demonstrate or source material  any quotations  to your postings have any validity except in you personally.  Do you ever even source material or quote any historical document or "Dig" -- in this most recent example -- to show Ur had this or that population? No.

 In fact, you go on and on and on and on and on about Amizduga and Mars and who knows what.  You've opened up so many needless threads on this wild eyed chronology obssession of yours, that you even admit is screwed up from time to time,  and aren't sure of yourself.  Hence, Rich, you are NOT an authority -- even  on your own material. 

  Instead of this confusion in Mesopotamia  over here, and Mayan on the other side of the planet drawing "spaceships", (as if they even ever knew the other existed -- try "NOT!!!")...let's look at one quick flaw in your chronology. 

 Date Isaac's birth .  You say it was in 1919 -1918 B.C.  Fine. Let's say that is what you believe.  You also claim the Exodus from Egypt was in 1552 B.C.   Fine.  Lock in these two dates.

Now just using the Bible and Josephus, and not Zuzim or Mayan or Babylonia or Chinese or this or that alleged astronomical event...prove your date for Isaac's birth from
the Biblical texts and Josephus.

The 430 years since Abraham first visited Egypt to the day Israel left through the Reed Sea disproves your chronology. 

So now you need reach a 215 year sojourn starting in 1767 B.C.  in just 151 more years...so using the Biblical texts and Josephus, I say...prove it.

This thread was originally on Josephus...and I have given everyone the insight to the formula / calculations he used in the dating back from Christ's time to the Hebrew Exodus from Egypt thread.  Using just Josephus and the Hebrew or Greek or Latin or English Bible...source your calculation in either the Bible or Josephus (or both) and prove it.

I say that you cannot.  And if you cannot...please drop all this Mars this and Venus that distractive and cluttering material, or at least keep all that stuff  to any one of your (holy cow!!! ) 70 or so threads all over the BAS Forum.  Please?
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To the administrator:

This new setup at BAS that is supposed to now allow sub and super scripts (etc.) now only allows me to embolden, italicize, color, underline (or what have you) only one single letter at a time.  This is a glitch that needs to be fixed, please.

This has only occurred ever since the new makeover removing the ability the most recent posts was removed  from the front forum page in the last week or so.   Thanks.

   

[Elijah]

Dear administrator I have noticed that copy and paste has to be done with a right click at one spot and then a shift right click at the next spot, the sweep over text highlighting it to copy does not work.

Now as for Brian I know my Josephus:
Adam 5717 BC and 6000 years to 284 AD.
His Flood is 3460 BC so I prefer 5716 BC for his Adam.
Adam 2256 years to Flood as 3460 BC which is followed by a
Marduk of 950 years to Nimrod's birth in 2510 BC and a death at 500 in 2009 BC at which time Jacob Israel is born
in 2009 BC upon the Marduk calendar, to Isaac 60 who was
born in 2069 BC, who was born to Abram at 100 in 2169 BC
when the Great Pyramid was built in 2170 BC.
Check and you will see the first book covers 5717-2009 BC as 3708 years to Jacob's birth in 2009 BC. Then Isaac lives 125 more years to 1884 BC totaling BOOK 1 as 3833 years.
Abram at 75 in 2094 BC thus it is 430 years to his exodus in 1664 BC and all the numbers of each book are accounted for to Book 20 as 66 AD, including 476 years judges 1624-1148 BC where he places Amizaduga's Venus tablet as the end of 40 years in Sinai.
You have no foundation for saying I get screwed up with my own chronologies. Your Jospehus runs within his works two other shorter partial chronologies (contrary to the set of 20 books as a awhole). And even in the first book he offers two chronologies to Abram's Great Pyramid birth of 2170/2169 BC as 2256 + 1292 and 2656 + 892. FURTHER YOUR JOSEPHUS cant explain his 430 years versus 400 years
and so he gives Isaac 185 years when Genesis says 180 years. Isaac died the year of Pharaoh's dream (1738 BC) giving Joseph 7 years 1737-1730 BC.

So I find it very offensive that you imply Josephus must be stuck with without showing that Chinese Flood 2953 BC and Ur's 180 leap days 2953-2233 BC and 2233-1513 BC exodus are in line agreement with Rome's 180 leap days 1473-753 BC.

Next, Moses leaving in 1553 BC for murder was not the exodus that Egyptian chronology would have it be (twice 768 years as migration at Peleg's death and migration with Moses). It is as stated above and every where 1513 BC. And it does not shame me to say search in this sight for 1513 BC and you will see what I have said, and search YOUR way for 1552 BC an you have then stirred a lie and unfounded instigation against me that i defend here by asking people to search this site for 1513 BC and 1552 BC and they will see I have said 1513 BC. Probably 30,000 times as the WatchTower has said for 52 years.

As for sources, I read once it was 30,000 population by the size of all uncovered and I dont have the issue you have of who said it or where it was read. I dont write down sources to all I read for those who demand book publishing prestige of which author said it. Truth is truth and doesnt need to be weighed by someone's name. Sitchen has his spaceships, and yes its nuts, but I do not slam his translating skills because he seems to translate better than you do. Too bad you cant value what truth others do dig up. It is clear you dont mind lying about what i have dug up. It takes a heart to read it and understand it.

Next, the timeline is as follows:
Abram 2018 BC born with dynasty of Isan king Ishbi-Erra
Sodom destroyed 1919 BC/1918 BC
Isaac born in 1918 BC and Jacob 1858 BC.
Judah in 1770 BC year 2256 AM, Joseph 1767 BC
being 17 in 1750 BC because he was given a coat to symbolize he will be greater than Hamurabi who died,
contrasted to Judah born when Nimrod died at 500 (? Samuel Noah Kramer).

Now what do you mean by I need an intervention. Does that mean maybe I need attention and feel the need to intervene and intrude on your topic, or are you pleaing for adminstration to intervene upon me. I assure you the day I die this site will have more hits than Utube or Ebay. Do I not bleed, or am I suppose to feel the pain when you prick me and i should die slowly, to please you, as you die slowly when you hear my words. Please youre absurd.
I rest my case with the proof i submitted in this whole post. The reader isnt blind.

As for Josephus Exodus in 1664 BC, he just happens to note it is 505 years of the Great Pyramid until the plagues as if to mock it (2170-1665 BC). But the 505 years is 2018-1513 BC. Also Josephus uses the Japanese Flood 3060 BC whose Venus is 2400 years to Japan Era 660 BC. Yet Japan proves its cycles of 1460 sothic years as 1600 BC, and 1507 Gregorian years as 1553 BC, being Jannes enslaving in Egypt and Moses leaving Egypt. Contrasted to stated above Egyptian Septuagint Genesis Flood 3090 BC with twice 768 years as 3089-2321 BC migration at Peleg's death, and 2321-1553 BC as Moses leaving Egypt at which time the reconstructed Egypt disputes whether it is 1561 BC as 430 after 1991 BC, or this 1553 BC, and being wrong because it is 1513 BC. I have no problems seeing other people's errors including YOURS... (hey I have a mom to contend with who believes I dont see my own errors, care to join her, she's one of Jehovah's Witnesses).

ELIJAH
voice in the wilderness
hated and killed like John the Baptizer
for saying the woman from Rome was an adulterous whore.
hmm why do we have songs that say Salome danced with certain personality.

[Brianroy]

« On  Feb 24, 2009, 09:54 PM by Elijah »

"...and 1919 BC when the valley exploded. if it be the summer of 1919, but if the calendar places it after autumn then summer 1918 BC (either case Isaac born 9 months later)..."


You claim that there is a "430y alien residency 1943-1513 BC", but like a certain female poster, your numbers don't add correctly.

In

http://forum.bib-arch.org/index.php/topic,270.msg3502/topicseen.html#msg3502

You wrote that in “1781 BC Jacob flees to uncle Laban in Haran Syria at age 77 when
his father Isaac at 137 blesses him”

And let’s say that it is 1513, not 1552 B.C. that the Exodus occurs in your view.

1513 + 215 = 1728

So 1513 Exodus - 40 in the wilderness = 1473, and then you have Saul die 44 years short of 480 years 

(480 from the Exodus until the building of Solomon's  Temple, David rules 7 years  + 33 years in 2 cities, etc.)

or 436 years later...which you calculated as 1473-436 = 1078 B.C. ?

It actually comes out at 1037 for your second date of Saul's death...or didn't you notice?


 Or will you now go back to the other  assessment you had of a 1552 B.C.  Exodus which would yield the 1078 B.C. date for Saul's death that you must have originally calculated from? 

If you drop back to 1552 B.C. as the Exodus year, then in the 14th year that Jacob is in Syria under Laban in YOUR Chronology, you also must place him in Egypt with over 50 kids and grandkids in the very same year of 1767 B.C.

Again, in either case,  YOUR chronology then states that Jacob married Leah and Rachel, and that Rachel had Joseph within the 14 year contractual timeline...Joseph (says you)  being born in 1767 B.C.


“the timeline is as follows:
Abram 2018 BC born with dynasty of Isan king Ishbi-Erra
Sodom destroyed 1919 BC/1918 BC
Isaac born in 1918 BC
and Jacob 1858 BC.
Judah in 1770 BC year 2256 AM,
Joseph 1767 BC
being 17 in 1750 BC”?

Now you place Joseph as being born in the 14th year of Jacob in Syria, married to a pregnant Rachel (when her womb was closed up and watched others over some YEARSy  conceive and bear children, as in Genesis 30)?   When was Dinah born? When was she brutally assaulted? 
You ignore virtually a whole chapter of Genesis because you want to reconcile  some 50 calenders of the world book that someone else wrote to make a few bucks from a hobby?


Which timeline of yours are you NOW using?  So, it is clear that you are either profusely confused, or are attempting to impress others with long-winded semantics, hoping no one will check up on it...and then play the "martyr" when you get caught, instead of saying   -

"oops.  you're right. I'll have to fix that."

Maybe just that confession, repair or emendation, would at least be a step in the right direction.

As for the dating of Josephus and the Exodus, I've already addressed that

http://forum.bib-arch.org/index.php/topic,60.msg610.html#msg610

followed by your reply of "dancing with the stars", in regard to the explanation of how you used "calender semantics" to obsfucate and protect your mistakes such as the date of Jacob arriving in Syria at age 77 in 1781 B.C.  Jacob wasn't THAT old (84) when he first married Leah, nor age 91 when he married Rachel after 14 years of indentured servitude. Give me a break.     
 

[Elijah]

"...and 1919 BC when the valley exploded. if it be the summer of 1919, but if the calendar places it after autumn then summer 1918 BC (either case Isaac born 9 months later)..."

Nothing dual about that. You would be saying that Dec 2008 and Jan 2009 are not the same year because you only see one calendar as you like it.

You claim that there is a "430y alien residency 1943-1513 BC", but like a certain female poster, your numbers don't add correctly. You wrote that in “1781 BC Jacob flees to uncle Laban in Haran Syria at age 77 when
his father Isaac at 137 blesses him” And let’s say that it is 1513, not 1552 B.C. that the Exodus occurs in your view.
1513 + 215 = 1728

Brian, this chronology is not mine. It has existed fully explained by the WatchTower since 1956 by millions of people without your confusion. 1943 BC and 25 years to Isaac in 1918 BC and 5 years to his afflicted by Ishmael in 1913 BC for 400 years, and 60 years to Jacob (1918-1858 BC) and 130 with Pharoah (1858-1728 BC)
as 215 years (1943-1728 BC)
with a 2nd year of famine in 1729 BC and 1st year of famine in 1730 BC and 7 years of rule 1737-1730 BC since he was 30 in 1737 BC, and a dream in 1738 BC where he was born in 1767 BC and given the coat at Hamurabi's death in 1750 BC at which Jacob stayed 6 years after birth of Joseph
(1767-1761) totaling 20 years (7+7+6 = 1781-1761 BC)
meaning he was blessed at 77 (quite an omen) by a father
137 whose brother died at 137 so has good reason to give this blessing not knowing he will live 180 years, despite Josephus wrong saying 185.

So 1513 Exodus - 40 in the wilderness = 1473, and then you have Saul die 44 years short of 480 years 
(480 from the Exodus until the building of Solomon's  Temple, David rules 7 years  + 33 years in 2 cities, etc.)
or 436 years later...which you calculated as 1473-436 = 1078 B.C. ?

I DO NOT USE 436 YEARS AS 1473-1078 BC. That is not 436 years it is 396 years. Your 436 years would span my exodus 1513-1078 BC as Saul's death, because Canaan 1473-1038 BC would be 436 years to Davids death. Yes I know  the repeating 40 years can screw anyone up YOU or ME.
The 476 years that Josephus uses as judges spans as exodus 1513 BC to Solomon 1037 BC, and as 1473 BC Canaan to division 997 BC. Thus Solomon began 476 years of a nation without land, and ended 476 years of a nation taking land. Nothing I have said is in error unless you have found a typo I would be eager to correct. Solomon ruled 40 years 1037-997 BC not the 80 years that Josephus places Solomon as 1077-997 BC. Josephus sees the temple as 1073 BC instead of 1034 BC because instead of 996 years of Jupiter after Peleg's death 2030 BC and (Shem) Melchizedek's altar to Jehovah founding Salem, he uses 936 years after Marduk temple 2009 BC. This is 40 years earlier than even Greek Eusebius says as 1033 BC temple of a 40 year Solomon. But Josephus gets caught. When he said the temple was 1073 BC he knew it was the 4th year of David. So he says yes David started the temple. This is only true of the supplies. But David did this only after he took Jerusalem in 7 years so he could not have built the temple in year 4. So Josephus gives Solomon 80 years instead of 40 so that the 1073 BC temple is in Solomon's 4th year not David's 4th year. This is Josephus and his thinking, not my thinking nor WatchTower. I see where 1073 BC comes from. It comes from equating Babylon's Marduk (Jupiter) with Jerusalem's Jova and thinking they are the same year when built. In Babylon, they chose in 747 BC to reject 834 BC as 3192 AM and claimed instead it was 2009 BC the original which then pushed Adam back 1175 years to 5200 BC. So then 834 BC as 936 years after 2256 AM (1770 BC) became 2+936 years after the Flood, and the next 936 years in 1073 BC claiming Marduk temple refurbishing that actually happened in 834 BC. This is why the Jewish calendar Seder Olam Rabbah from 3761 BC Adam claims 834 BC is Solomon's temple the same year as Babylon's temple refab, while Babylon claims the refab was 1073 BC and Josephus says okay that was Solomon's temple. THEY WERE NOT THE SAME YEAR. Solomon was 1034 BC temple and Babylon was 834 BC temple difference of 200 years just like the exodus issue 1513 BC and 1313 BC.
Hello. The span says 480th from EXODUS (1513-1034 BC) not 480th from Canaan (1473 BC). You get that no where from me. 40 years Sinai (1513-1473 BC) +6 year conquest (5 in war, 1473-1467 BC), +350 years judges to 1117 BC Saul who rules 40 years to 1077 BC +40 David (1077-1037 BC)
as 7 + 33 taking Jerusalem in 1070 BC as 1300 years from the Flood or 1200-year Venus (1199 Julian) from 2269 BC Peleg's birth.
Josephus says 476 years judges (1624-1148 BC), perhaps you are subtracting 40 years. My errors would not be Josephus or YOU. I use that of Josephus to support the truth already existing; I dont use him to correct the truth and produce errors like he has.

Further evidence is that at a time when Samuel feels he is rejected because they want a king. He then realizes it is Jehovah who gets rejected if the people get a king, because then people will live by commands from a king instead of living by the spirit of Jehovah (cause and effect). It is the people who feel that Jehovah wants a king because of the Jupiter cycle being regarded as the sign that Jehovah wants a king. It is an 83 year calendar (7 orbits) since Salem was founded at Peleg's death in the 13th year before Abram (12 years before he was born), the source of this 13th year is Josephus speaking of Salem's foundation by (Shem) Melchizedek (2030-2018 BC Peleg's death to Abram's birth but placed by Josephus as 2106-2094 BC as 13th year before his being reborn in a calling at age 75). This 2106 BC is significant to something, Ur not Salem; the cities around the world fight over the title New Ur (The New City). I have always suspected that something is with Ur's ziggurat in 2105 BC (pyramid survives Flood) to be labeled by the Seder Olam Rabbah as the Flood year, and here Josephus places the building of Salem in 2106 BC. New thought, Babylon places 2256 AM in 2945 BC as 2 years after 2947 BC Flood; so if Marduk were year 950 as 949 years in 1997 BC it could be regarded as a mistaken fall of Ur in 108 years (108 = 2105-1997 BC) since the true 1943 BC 12th dynasty is based on a July 10 sothis, and the false 1991 BC 12th dynasty is placed on a July 17 sothis, a 1997 BC would be based on a July 18 sothis, or Ur is being placed as falling 6 years before 1991 BC mistaken as the 1900 BC fall 6 years before Babylon 1894 BC. Of course this concept deletes the 1991 BC Shulgi since he was preceded by UrNammu 18 years, not by a 6 year desolation of Ur. (See I attempt to see others errors, but be correct that i do see the error, and judge them correctly of the error, and not lyingly claim what and how the error without actually seeing THEIR potential confusion. This is all about Cain and Esau saying how dare you think I make mistakes and then kill you. WE can argue which of us is Cain, but Judas was insulted and killed Jesus (perhpas he thought Jesus would just go to jail). Yet Peter was called Satan get behind me, and Peter didnt jump on the wagon to kill Jesus for it. Will you jump on the wagon Brian? Will you? Interestingly this 2106 BC (Josephus supposed foundation of Salem and Seder Olam Noahs Flood) is 954 years after the Japanese Flood year 3060 BC (=Josephus Flood from Adam 2656 AM). The significance of 954 after Flood is Noah's death. Noah when he died in 2020 BC was in two calendar years 349 of Egyptian claiming 949 from his birth, and the 360-day calendar that had gained 5 years since the Flood to be calendar year 954. The year 349/949 became 350/950 seven months after his death as Epagum 1 /July 9 and new year Pamenot 1 /July 14. But the 360-day calendar didnt hit new year until Narmer created Pharaoh as year 955 on Sep 4. So evidently Josephus is using the record of 954 years to Noahs death to regard as 954 years to building Salem. In reality Salem was built in 2030 BC at Peleg's death 10 years before Noah died in 2020 BC. It was in 2030 BC that Gilgamesh went to Kittim Cyprus to ask Noah why he doesnt die. I find this rude because what did Gilgamesh think happened to Noah's wife when she died.

More accurately not just 83 years of 7 orbits but the artificial 12 year also merges as 996 years or 2030-1034 BC as the temple and again as Herod claiming his kingship on Jerusalem in 38 BC. Your intent is not to verify my work, ,but only to be offended that I do indeed know so much, and that you feel I should be taken down. You fail to see, that I am aware of much I do not know, because I feel all men should have known, more than all this, long before I was born. Error is not with me but with the culture you gave me at birth being faulty, millenia before my birth. You share the blood your fathers spilt, do not wash your hands when you have not repented of the same ways they had. My message being you slam the forefathers and yet you do as they did.
1078 BC will do quite well if you say,
Saul ruled 1117-1077, David as 1077-1037, Solomon 1037-997 with a temple 480th in 4th year as 1034 BC, 479 years and 1 month from 1513-1034 BC/ 997 is verified by haveing the same July 10 Mars crossed over by the sun as Tamuz of Nimrod's death in 1770 BC (2256 AM) and is quite commendable because a 780-day Mars would expect Mars in 780x 365 days or else 780 Julian years and this proves Mars is 773 years in sothic correlation. It also is confirmed by the fact that Judah is born in 1770 BC as king of kings when Jacob heres that 500-year old Nimrod has died, though he recants by giving a coat to Joseph in 1750 BC at Hamurabi's death who gloated that his kingship of Babylon now succeeded Nimrod in authority, and it was Hamurabi who conquered Jacob's family at Mari in 1763 BC and destroyed it in 1762 BC giving Jacob good reason to leave in 1761 BC. Jehovah was speaking to him thru events.

It actually comes out at 1037 for your second date of Saul's death...or didn't you notice? Or will you now go back to the other  assessment you had of a 1552 B.C.  Exodus which would yield the 1078 B.C. date for Saul's death that you must have originally calculated from? 

How does what come to 1037 BC for Saul? No it does not, you lie, and say I assessed 1552 BC. I have never. The Egyptians saw it as 1553 BC as Moses leaving at 40 with all Israelites; they saw it as twice 768 years, the first being migration at Peleg;s death they say is 2321 BC; this is true Moses left at 40, this is true it was in 1553 BC, but Moses left with all Israel in 1513 BC when he was 80. I explain error, that is my job as Elijah, before you people kill me, like you killed John. I am the first sacrifice. My job is to first declare your errors, so that only the humble then follow the christ in flesh on earth, before she is killed by you as the second sacrifice.

If you drop back to 1552 B.C. as the Exodus year, then in the 14th year that Jacob is in Syria under Laban in YOUR Chronology, you also must place him in Egypt with over 50 kids and grandkids in the very same year of 1767 B.C.

You are pushing 40 years forward to crunch the three kings and claim that I do this, and then 40 years back to crunch Jacobs family. With what big figure do you do this. Josephus says 476 years, and he is wrong. He uses a 1664 BC exodus because he places the taking of Canaan at Amizaduga's Venus (1625 BC) which is really Adams year 2400 and 24-year Venus before Jannes enslaves Shemite Hyksos and Israel in Egypt (1601 BC). And now you expand on this accusation saing I push this 476 years forward and back when there is no need to stretch into a lie into dates I never used nor a span of Jospehus that I ever used. And so now you finally connect up with truth on the far end (2018 BC) so you can say it doesnt meet the end you chopped off with Saul. This is tactic dude, like a war. This is not truthful analysis of anything i wrote until the following which is very late in your rebuttal against me.

Again, in either case,  YOUR chronology then states that Jacob married Leah and Rachel, and that Rachel had Joseph within the 14 year contractual timeline...Joseph (says you)  being born in 1767 B.C.
“the timeline is as follows:
Abram 2018 BC born with dynasty of Isan king Ishbi-Erra
Sodom destroyed 1919 BC/1918 BC
Isaac born in 1918 BC
and Jacob 1858 BC.
Judah in 1770 BC year 2256 AM,
Joseph 1767 BC
being 17 in 1750 BC”?
Now you place Joseph as being born in the 14th year of Jacob in Syria, married to a pregnant Rachel (when her womb was closed up and watched others over some YEARS  conceive and bear children, as in Genesis 30)?   When was Dinah born? When was she brutally assaulted? 
You ignore virtually a whole chapter of Genesis because you want to reconcile  some 50 calenders of the world book that someone else wrote to make a few bucks from a hobby?

You have revealed no inconsistency. If this is your godly role to expose and burn like Saul /Paul did.  Your comment about 70 people in 1728 BC is a span of 215 years that half the world accepts for a population leaving in 430 years but one exception I recognize that Hyksos left with them to be sworn citizens already having families married into them in faith that the Messsiah was in Israel to save them.

Which timeline of yours are you NOW using?  So, it is clear that you are either profusely confused, or are attempting to impress others with long-winded semantics, hoping no one will check up on it...and then play the "martyr" when you get caught, instead of saying   - "oops.  you're right. I'll have to fix that." Maybe just that confession, repair or emendation, would at least be a step in the right direction.

No you are not clear at all. It just means you are confused when you read my way of writing, or probably your heart is set against me not to want understanding as you read it. I have found argument is not bad, it has caused me to discover more by hashing it out. So you may not get corrected because your not truly asking me to explain for you; youre trying to axe me. But I win because I become enlightened more as I hash and hack my own knowledge to defend.

As for the dating of Josephus and the Exodus, I've already addressed that
http://forum.bib-arch.org/index.php/topic,60.msg610.html#msg610
followed by your reply of "dancing with the stars", in regard to the explanation of how you used "calender semantics" to obsfucate and protect your mistakes such as the date of Jacob arriving in Syria at age 77 in 1781 B.C.  Jacob wasn't THAT old (84) when he first married Leah, nor age 91 when he married Rachel after 14 years of indentured servitude. Give me a break.     

UM sir, Jacob lived to be 147  (1711 BC) being 17 years after 130 (1728 BC). What you said of Rachel is not true, not that I too once thought Rachel was 7 years later, but she is not. He had to work 7 more years for her, but he married her 7 days after Leah. Come now, would you allow the trickery to go that far to say you cant touch her for another 7 years. As for Esau, they were twins, so Jacob was 40 when Esau married at 40 just like his father Isaac at 40. So 37 years passed and Esau had three wives (? 2 pagan philistines, and one of cousin Ishmael the afflictor) while Isaac had one.
How else to you think Jacob had the 11 sons in 7 years married to Leah; are you accusing Rachel of being a whore married after her child Joseph, though Jacob doing her 7 years, while Leah and maid servants have 10 sons. Yes he was 84, you ignore the math supplied by Genesis, that Joseph was 30 only 7 years before Famine (at 37), and so was 39 when his father moved there at 130. Do the math and 130 minus 39 = 91 at his birth and 7 years earlier is 84. How can you claim you seek Genesis truth and then not accept the figures used in the bible of 130 minus 2nd year and 7 years and 30 years and 7 years. 1728 BC -2=1730 BC-7 = 1737 BC -30 = 1767 BC - 7 = 1774 BC, total 1728 BC at 130 minus 39 = 84 in 1774 BC being a worker for 7 years since 1781 BC at 77 born when Isaac was 60 makes Isaac 137. Nor do you see other chronologies are fixed to the same years.... Seder Olam Adam of 3761 BC and Flood of 2105 BC place Abram as 75 from 1813-1738 BC using Abram's entry to Canaan and Egypt to get Hagar from Pharaoh as the same year Joseph stood before Pharoah. The 205-year gap from 1943-1738 BC is closed by placing Abram's Pharaoh of 1943 BC in 1738 BC which was Joseph's Pharaoh. All you people need to see that fake false reconstructed chronologies come from other true years for different other events.

You have done nothing here to prove anything inconsistant. But you have proven that rather than learn that people drag on the heels of Jesus not to learn from him but to stop the others from following or listening or learning from him. You have no need to attemp to raise yourself above me, I am not on any throne here in BAS. I am here by permission and grace of a higher power, that which is God-given power to BAS as a forum. Like Cyrus and Darius protecting Jerusalem, the bAS forum protects me. I would not be protected if you Brian were the BAS. Brian is your intent to destroy what others are revealing in truth and discovery. Why must people be this way, in doing so they whether it be deliberate or their own blindness like Saul (Paul). In short, you have learned nothing because your heart doesnt want to. What you havent proven wrong of me, you will now diligently attempt to find somethig else of mine because it is the only goal you wish to busy yourself doing, bringing down those you think are charlatans. You trample the wheat because it looks like weeds. And you feel justified to attack things as they look to you. Hey I have been there and learned to put my own foot in my mouth rather than have it done for me. Dont be quick to think something is as you see it as wrong with someone. That is fine, your kind exists. But you do yourself a disservice and you bring others down to destruction with you who think you have a point. You are the ones who tell people to stay on the sinking ship. Meanwhile you follow me around like you do Jesus thinking I dont know my own mistakes and that you must pick out which things are my mistakes and make me grovel. WHY. Is that what you have chosen as soemthing I need? I am John, repent, because I assure you your thorny crown will not be placed on my head with mockery, you have yet very soon to do that greater sin and even THEY the saints I truly wonder how they can stomach you people and say FORGIVE THEM FATHER THEY KNOW NOT WHAT THEYRE DOING as you kill them. This will happen very soon. It is the final sign. They know they are the only ones who go to heaven and so they willingly die to save a few million flesh on earth. Those living thru Armageddon are indeed their real children and worth to die for. All the dead ever existing will then, and can only be, raised by the voice of those children who worthily survived not from good deeds but from obedience to the bride church of Jesus. The hour is here where all the churches face Barrack Obama for 30 days and the true church proves to be the triumphant. Though all churches may die, the true church though dead appears alive in spirit to its members to tell them they will survive Armageddon.

[Brianroy]

Richard writes:

“Brian, this chronology is not mine. It has existed fully explained by the WatchTower since 1956 by millions of people …Meanwhile you follow me around like you do Jesus”

Excuse me, Richard, but YOU are the one who came into this thread that I started...we are not in one of YOUR 78 threads where you try to impress your ex-friends of the Watchtower Witnesses. I'm not following you, YOU are coming to ME.  If I should post in a thread neither of us started,  it still doesn't mean that I am following you or anybody else. 

 YOU are a false prophet still stuck on himself, and should have been permanently banned from the BAS Forum after you handed out all those leaflets last March saying "don't cry for me", running on some Bruce Willis movie theater apocalyptic revelation you had  that never came true. 

Why can't you just find some "Watchtower" website and post there? 

Unlike you, I use the Bible, Josephus, and Patristics to show a consistency in the understanding of chronology (etal. topics) in the First to Fourth centuries A.D. by the Church. 

 In the Exodus thread, which I will link below, I also easily and logically resolved Clement and Eusebius's chronology, Egypt's own Manetho chronology (upon which Josephus relied)  as well as putting  to bed the de facto mistranslation of Mesopotamian kings who weren't really reigning thousands of years at a time. 
   
I don't need the gibberish of this happened here, but no it happened there, but there wasn't happening here but somewhere else while itwas happening here, and it was all the same and different, but the year was this- that-and the other slight of words nonsense that maybe wows the easily glazed in the Kingdom Halls...but not here.

The Bible says: G-D is not the author of confusion.  But that is precisely the tact you take in many of  your posts. 


In

http://forum.bib-arch.org/index.php/topic,60.msg175.html#msg175

I wrote regarding the reckoning of Patristic knowledge of dating the past:

"The Greeks who existed before Cyrus I conquering Babylon in circa 539 B.C., reckoned their years upon a 10-month or ca. 305-day calendar (Theophilus to Autolycus, 3.27). This was probably due to glacier recession on the European continent altering consistent seasonal reckonings.

Using the example of how the Hebraic 480 years of I Kings 6:1 is tabulated:
-- Pre-539 B.C., against a 10-month calendar of about 305 days. Hence, equal to Josephus' tabulation of 592 years in Antiquities, 8.3.1., according to what he calls as a "Macedonian" Greek calendar.

This is a fraction of about .8106 - .8108 of a now observed calendar year of 365.25 days. In other words, for every 81 years we have, they would have reckoned 100 years in their calculations in the pre-539 B.C. period."

In

http://forum.bib-arch.org/index.php/topic,60.msg176.html#msg176
 
 I wrote:

“Using a separate Jewish calendar,
Josephus: reckons a total of 477 years and 6 months between the destruction of Jerusalem in 586 B.C., and the building of Jerusalem by King David (Josephus, Wars of the Jews 6.10.).

This places David in Jerusalem in ca. January-February of 1063 B.C.

But in his Antiquities of the Jews, 8.3.1. Josephus uses the reckoning of the familiar Greek calendar (of his Roman audiences) to state that Solomon built the Temple 592 years after the Hebrew Exodus, before switching gears and reverting to the Jewish calendar of reckoning again.

Josephus knows the Scriptures use 480 years, as according to Hebrew reckoning, in I Kings 6:1.

The Greek calendar years of 592 times our inter-calculatory fraction is about 480.05 …or rounded off, 480 years.

In Antiquities of the Jews, 20.10.1, in discussing the lineage of the high priests from Moses to the A.D. 70 destruction of Jerusalem; Josephus gives a similar length of time (612 short years). When calculated against our inter-calculatory fraction, we are given a new insight into Biblical History.

Josephus cites a rule of the high priesthood for the last 16 years of the 40 years in the wilderness, when Moses was 104 - 120 years old. This was followed, again, by a 480-year gap between the entry into the Promised Land by Joshua, and the Temple of Solomon’s dedication.

Thus, Josephus also uses this methodology for preservation of Jewish history, when mentioning the Greek calendar, in Caesar’s library.

The testimony of the Galilean Israelite, Josephus, is that he agrees with the Greek reckoning that puts King David, in Jerusalem and building it, in circa 1060 to 1063 B.C.!

It appears that a few years elapsed before the actual major construction began. Thus, David’s reign is calculated to have begun no more recent or later than 1075 to 1070 B.C David reigned in Jerusalem for 33 years, and based on Josephus’ calculations, until ca. 1037 to 1036 B.C. (I Kings 2:11). “

Therefore, for Solomon to dedicate the Temple in the fourth year of his reign (2 Kings 6:1), and for it to be 480 years after coming into the land from the Exodus: the Exodus entry into Canaan must date to ca. 1512 - 1511 B.C.

In I Kings 6:1, the literal reading show us that “…it was 480 years from the lasa’ah of the children of Israel from the Land of Egypt.” That is, it was the finishing moment, the end destination, the conclusion to -- leaving Egypt, being the end of 40 years in the wilderness, and the feet of all Israelites touching both sides of the Jordan. This makes the entry a certainty at 1511-1512 B.C. "


The above is made easy to understand...it cites sources that can be looked up and read, it makes a clear understanding of two calendral timelines that the reader can research and tabulate on their own.   

You depend on the reader not having access to the Sothic Calender, which does NOT reach into the Early Bronze Age tabulations as you claim, as you also depend  on an ignorance of the lone book of 50 world calenders you source your data from.  Give it a rest, or  please sound off on one of your less visited 78 other threads.   

Richard writes:

"Is that what you have chosen as soemthing I need? I am John, repent, because I assure you your thorny crown will not be placed on my head with mockery..."   

My response: 

"Holy cow!  Now he thinks he John the baptist?  So he admits he's lost his head?   Quick!  If anyone finds it...(hide it!)".  {Chuckle, chuckle.}

[Elijah]

It amazes me you even get 1070 BC for David ruling Jerusalem, it is like Angelo Palego finding the ark at 14,000 feet when his calculations are off. I have no doubt he found it, I just know his calendar is wrong for months in 2370 BC and I know he imagines Ararat exposed peak before grounding. That's a JW for you, they are just like you.
I dont try to wow them.

As for your 1070 BC for David I agree. He ruled 1077-1037 BC so the 33 years are 1070-1037 BC. But Josephus does not use that, he uses 1117-1077 BC for David and a temple of 1073 BC as Solomon's 4th of Solomon's 80 years to 997 BC.

Further you are combining chronologies in that Josephus does not use 586 BC as you do. And so nor is he using the 477.5 with that year 586 BC. That is the problem with all og you so many self-reconstructors is that you dont draw out a full time line of the source author you are investigating. I chart these chronologists, and i graph these chronologists, and i timeline them. I dont grab... (as Jesus said leading men of relgion all do)... like birds grabbing seed dropped on the ground.  It does not go well with me for someone to say okay it says here 430 years alien residents in Egypt, so because king Menes was the Pharaoh spoke to this must be 3430 BC to 3000 BC as the exodus. I get pretty sick of seeing jigsaw pieces crammed where they dont fit and most of those dead in the world if alive would be telling how wring you are. Josephus uses 640 BC as destruction 477.5 years after the 1117 BC he says is David and then he says 70 years from 640-570 is desolation. (Later altering it to 50 years due to king Hiram.) That 640 BC for his destruction is 54 years before your 586 BC.
OMG thats the shift I came up with last in 1996 whose errors I corrected last summer in 2008 (776 Era for Shalmanesar to 722 Era). Gee I like fighting with you, youre hating me results in my getting blessed with better answers when i defend myself. That means Josephus locks in the years 997-776 BC but it means it looks as if he takes our 722-586 BC and moves it 54 years back to be 776-640 BC. That only goes to show everyone goes forward, then back, then forward then back.
Josephus uses 253.5 years of Persia as 574-320 BC.
this makes a 70-year desolation of 644-574 BC but it is not what he actually believes because his figures prove his beleive is 640-570 BC and he errs 3.5 years when he compares 2177.5 years and 1468.5 years and 1179 years.
the 470 years is intended as 1110-640 BC as David's line in Jerusalem having started rule in 1117 BC. Again, this 1117 BC is Saul but Josephus makes it David to give Solomon 80 years. Your Josephus should be marked on every page as mine is to know all this already. His 253.5 years of Persia is 574-320 BC because his figures count back from 66 AD back to 320 BC for the death of Alexander. Since Alexander died in 323 BC he puts his death 3.5 years short, and since the rest of this chronology of his is pushing back to 574 BC he is also pusing 3.5 year past his 570 BC he has for destruction.
This means his 574-320 BC is 7 years more than his lay out of 570-323 BC. And the answer is simple. It may look like confusion of the 3.5 years 66-70 AD but it is more probable the 7 years of David before taking Jerusalem, Josephus places as 1117-1110 BC but is correctly 40 years later 1077-1070 BC.

As for you, you have not ended your deliberate mockery of me. You are the prime height of any hate felt for me. I know that. And you hate that I know that. And if I die, you sicken yourself at the thought that anyone should cry for me, or that I would say dont do it. You are more a Josephus archeological forum than you are Biblical, and you are busy calling the study of all nations and cultures descended from Noah as being a pagan thread thru my veins. I cannot imagine how you sleep not thinking I am the devil constantine and his firey angels and demons bringing apocalypse... seriously I chuckle at imagining your hate. You actually subdue and desire for me to be angry here. I do have a sense of humor: keen mind here though my brother says theyre dumb jokes; in the amazon jungle divorces are so much quicker the cannibals call it Fed Ex. I dont expect a joke I made up to make you like me. Begone.
I know what I have supplied on Josephus is valuable to many readers. And I dont consider any thread as owned by me nor owned by you. This forum is in America where americans do not believe the internet should remove american legal rights to free speech and verbally or in type presenting the NEWS. Every person speaking truth is a true prophet... it means words of truth and thus words of God no matter who says them. And anyone spredding the lies speak that of false prophet. If I be the false prophet, and not you, it is the truth that will soon prove it. And as I said YOU would ignore everything I presented as a defence in my last post. If I were in court, and you stood against me, the judge could ask you what I said and what you thought, and your reply would not repeat anything I said because you dont know what I said nor do you care.

But I am happy that you keep reminding anyone that March 10 was a stab for last year, because if it happens this last final year it will prove I hid nothing at speaking out what I think terrorists will do, and yet if the government blamed me, it would mean this is about hate, not about who is helping with 20/20 foresight from having 20/20 hindsight others dont have.