WatchTower JW Angelo Palego's www.noahsark.it

[notalent]

You don't call Babylon "Babel", because those two are the exact same word in Hebrew.  Why don't you do this "correctly"?

Because i distiguish Babel as 2240-2009 BC but Babylon as 1894-1594 BC.

The Bible makes no effort to distinguish them.  Not distinguishing them actually communicates something to the reader about Babel's later role in the destruction of Judah.  That communication is lost by making them different names in translation.

But so much gets lost in translation perforce anyway.  I'm just pointing out that if people think they know all that's being said in the Bible by reading a translation, then they don't even suspect their own ignorance.  But even what a translation does succeed in communicating is beyond knowing in full, so people tend to shrug their shoulders at the other things they'll never understand that is lost in translation.  But much of what is thought to be understood is refuted by that which was lost in translation. 

I submit that anyone who would pretend to seek with much zeal must expend some of it on understanding the original language.  Then at least the maximum potential of understand is available to them, rather than being automatically cut off from that potential with a language limitation.

[Elijah]

There is no original language. There never has been such. How can a language known in a week be the same language if in one month you coin 40 new words to it. The whole set of english i speak today is not the same whole set i spoke 40 years ago. Ask historians and they will tell you that Sumerian is older than Hebrew. This is not impossible because the Bible never claims their Hebrew goes back to Adam or back to Noah.

Thus there are three Babylons.
The Babel of 2240 BC used a 360-day calendar. Babylon's first king in 1894 BC accepted the 365-day calendar. Both knew Adam was 4025 BC, because Babel was fixed to a Flood 2370 BC and Babylon admitted 1200 years of Noah in 1770 BC and 2400 years of Adam in 1626 BC. In doing so the thrid Babylon (New Babylon) NeoBablyon of 747 BC twisted all the previous astronomy. In this way the confusion referred to for Babel and Babylon is not nearly as bad as the their future became for twisting words of facts and history.

This conversation is locked and closed. The Bible does say Babel in Genesis and yet does say babylon destroyed king Zedekiah's Jerusalem. That is a difference and to say the Bible isnt saying this difference is merely trying to carry a topic on by refuting all things said. I now see it. You will not get me frustrated when i can lock the topic.

[Elijah]

Babel 360-day calendar lays foundation
of Babel with Noah's new year 732 on
2240 BC Nov 18 as rising of 780-day Mars.

Babylon in 1894 BC excepts 365-day new year
which is Persian Pamenot 1 on June 13
(since 2030 BC Sothic July 17)
but the primary calendar is still 360-day
inaugurating again with rising 780-day Mars
now on Noah's new year 1083 (Nov 2 ALL SOULS DAY)

747 BC new year Thoth 1 is on Feb 26
previous Feb 26 is for Jupiter
Noah's year 713 in 2258 BC is on Feb 26
as 12-year orbit Jupiter across Taurus horns
when Narmer (Nimrod) is 12.
This Feb 26 is the date for 83-year Jupiter
in 2009 BC (3x 83) which is then used as
4x 996 years or 48x 83 year Jupiter to Year 6000.
In 2009 BC this Feb 26 is the date Paopi 20 which has
leaped from 2029 BC Mar 2 to 2020 BC Feb 28.
The new year of king Reu Aanipada in 2207 BC
is Noah's year 765 on May 29 but because he was
anointed for this kingship on 10-01-764 on Feb 28
the NeoBabylon Era of 747 BC Thoth 1 Feb 26
beleives that 1460 years proves this new year to be
2207 BC Feb 26 two days before his actual anointing
on Feb 28 (10-01) three months before the new year 765 of his kingship.
This year 2207 BC is then presumed to be 185 leap days
of 740 years back to the Flood 2947 BC when in fact
year 739 is 2233 BC and 740 is 2232 BC. From Noah's Flood as year 600, it marks 137 Julian years as 139x 360 days after Flood 2370 BC, but China and Rome regard this 2233 BC as 720 years (180 leap days) half way between Flood (2953 BC) and Exodus (1513 BC).
As you can see all cultures use the same math and they all just say it adds up differently. This is no different than we right here, and we today, and we the world who hasn't changed until it is too late to help us.

[notalent]

The Bible does say Babel in Genesis and yet does say babylon destroyed king Zedekiah's Jerusalem.

Incorrect.  Your defective translation (and mine) says Babylon.  But the Hebrew says it's Babel.  That is a fact.   Don't just take my word for it.  Look it up yourself.

That is a difference and to say the Bible isnt saying this difference is merely trying to carry a topic on by refuting all things said. I now see it. You will not get me frustrated when i can lock the topic.

[Elijah]

what book what chapter and what verse of my defective translations says the city was confused and so called it was called babylon.

[notalent]

what book what chapter and what verse of my defective translations says the city was confused and so called it was called babylon.

2 Kings 17:24
2 Kings 17:30 (2)
2 Kings 20:12
2 Kings 20:14
2 Kings 20:17
2 Kings 20:18 (2)
2 Kings 24:1 (2)
2 Kings 24:7 (2)
2 Kings 24:10
2 Kings 24:11
2 Kings 24:12 (4)
2 Kings 24:15 (2)
2 Kings 24:16 (2)
2 Kings 24:17
2 Kings 24:20 (2)
2 Kings 25:1
2 Kings 25:6 (2)
2 Kings 25:7 (2)
2 Kings 25:8 (2)
2 Kings 25:11 (2)
2 Kings 25:13
2 Kings 25:20 (2)
2 Kings 25:21 (2)
2 Kings 25:22 (2)
2 Kings 25:23
2 Kings 25:24 (2)
2 Kings 25:27 (2)
2 Kings 25:28
1 Chron 9:1
2 Chron 32:31 (2)
2 Chron 33:11
2 Chron 36:6 (3)
2 Chron 36:7 (2)
2 Chron 36:10
2 Chron 36:18 (2)
2 Chron 36:20
Ezra 1:11
Ezra 2:1 (2)
Ezra 7:6
Ezra 7:9
Ezra 8:1
Neh 7:6 (2)
Neh 13:6
Esther 2:6 (2)
Ps 87:4
Ps 137:1 (2)
Ps 137:8
Isa 13:1 (2)
Isa 13:19 (2)
Isa 14:4 (2)
Isa 14:22
Isa 21:9 (2)
Isa 39:1
Isa 39:3
Isa 39:6 (2)
Isa 39:7 (2)
Isa 43:14
Isa 47:1
Isa 48:14
Isa 48:20
Jer 20:4 (2)
Jer 20:5
Jer 20:6
Jer 21:2
Jer 21:4 (2)
Jer 21:7
Jer 21:10 (2)
Jer 22:25
Jer 24:1 (3)
Jer 25:1 (2)
Jer 25:9
Jer 25:11 (2)
Jer 25:12
Jer 27:6
Jer 27:8 (3)
Jer 27:9 (2)
Jer 27:11
Jer 27:12
Jer 27:13 (2)
Jer 27:14 (2)
Jer 27:16
Jer 27:17
Jer 27:18
Jer 27:20 (3)
Jer 27:22
Jer 28:2 (2)
Jer 28:3 (3)
Jer 28:4 (3)
Jer 28:6
Jer 28:11
Jer 28:14
Jer 29:1
Jer 29:3 (3)
Jer 29:4
Jer 29:10
Jer 29:15
Jer 29:20
Jer 29:21
Jer 29:22 (2)
Jer 29:28 (2)
Jer 32:2 (2)
Jer 32:3
Jer 32:4
Jer 32:5
Jer 32:28
Jer 32:36
Jer 34:1
Jer 34:2
Jer 34:3 (2)
Jer 34:7
Jer 34:21 (2)
Jer 35:11
Jer 36:29
Jer 37:1
Jer 37:17
Jer 37:19
Jer 38:3
Jer 38:17
Jer 38:18 (2)
Jer 38:22 (2)
Jer 38:23
Jer 39:1
Jer 39:3 (3)
Jer 39:5
Jer 39:6 (4)
Jer 39:7
Jer 39:9 (2)
Jer 39:11
Jer 39:13
Jer 40:1
Jer 40:4 (4)
Jer 40:5
Jer 40:7 (2)
Jer 40:9 (2)
Jer 40:11
Jer 41:2
Jer 41:18
Jer 42:11 (2)
Jer 43:3 (2)
Jer 43:10
Jer 44:30
Jer 46:2 (2)
Jer 46:13 (2)
Jer 46:26
Jer 49:28
Jer 49:30
Jer 50:1
Jer 50:2 (2)
Jer 50:8 (2)
Jer 50:9
Jer 50:13
Jer 50:14
Jer 50:16
Jer 50:17 (2)
Jer 50:18 (2)
Jer 50:23 (2)
Jer 50:24 (2)
Jer 50:28 (2)
Jer 50:29
Jer 50:34 (2)
Jer 50:35 (2)
Jer 50:42
Jer 50:43
Jer 50:45
Jer 50:46 (2)
Jer 51:1
Jer 51:2
Jer 51:6 (2)
Jer 51:7 (2)
Jer 51:8 (2)
Jer 51:9
Jer 51:11
Jer 51:12 (4)
Jer 51:24
Jer 51:29 (3)
Jer 51:30 (2)
Jer 51:31 (2)
Jer 51:33
Jer 51:34 (2)
Jer 51:35
Jer 51:37 (2)
Jer 51:41 (2)
Jer 51:42
Jer 51:44 (3)
Jer 51:47 (2)
Jer 51:48
Jer 51:49 (2)
Jer 51:53 (2)
Jer 51:54
Jer 51:55
Jer 51:56
Jer 51:58 (2)
Jer 51:59 (2)
Jer 51:60 (2)
Jer 51:61 (2)
Jer 51:64 (2)
Jer 52:3 (2)
Jer 52:4
Jer 52:9 (2)
Jer 52:10
Jer 52:11 (2)
Jer 52:12 (2)
Jer 52:15 (2)
Jer 52:17
Jer 52:26 (2)
Jer 52:27 (2)
Jer 52:31 (2)
Jer 52:32
Jer 52:34
Ezek 12:13
Ezek 17:12 (2)
Ezek 17:16
Ezek 17:20
Ezek 19:9 (2)
Ezek 21:24
Ezek 21:26
Ezek 23:15
Ezek 23:17
Ezek 23:23 (2)
Ezek 24:2
Ezek 26:7
Ezek 29:18
Ezek 29:19
Ezek 30:10
Ezek 30:24 (2)
Ezek 30:25 (3)
Ezek 32:11
Dan 1:1
Micah 4:10
Zech 2:11
Zech 6:10

[Elijah]

Babylon did not exist before 1894 BC.
Read common literature.... it is called 1st dynasty.
So it means first, not last, not middle,
not preDynasty, not zero dynasty, not dynasty zero, not one-half dynasty, or one-quarter dynasty almost 1st.

We need to reiterate within mere seconds of your starting a chronological list of kings who start rule at 1117 BC. Genesis ends with Joseph dying in 1767 BC as an exact 300 years before Israel declares borders in 1467 BC. This is still when the city is called Babylon from 1894-1594 BC where it falls the year Moses is born.

Now because the name Babylon is born with its kingship on Nov 2 of 1894 BC, it is very simple to ask again (and again) where is your scripture that says the word Babylon in Genesis. My Bible says Babel (2240-1895 BC).
And they called the city Babel because it was the start of Confusion. I bet you (anyone) can find that verse in Genesis now that I gave the clues. Happy hunting.

[notalent]

Babylon did not exist before 1894 BC.
Read common literature.... it is called 1st dynasty.
So it means first, not last, not middle,
not preDynasty, not zero dynasty, not dynasty zero, not one-half dynasty, or one-quarter dynasty almost 1st.

We need to reiterate within mere seconds of your starting a chronological list of kings who start rule at 1117 BC. Genesis ends with Joseph dying in 1767 BC as an exact 300 years before Israel declares borders in 1467 BC. This is still when the city is called Babylon from 1894-1594 BC where it falls the year Moses is born.

Now because the name Babylon is born with its kingship on Nov 2 of 1894 BC, it is very simple to ask again (and again) where is your scripture that says the word Babylon in Genesis. My Bible says Babel (2240-1895 BC).
And they called the city Babel because it was the start of Confusion. I bet you (anyone) can find that verse in Genesis now that I gave the clues. Happy hunting.

In Hebrew, the word translated into English as Babel is "Babel".  Also, in Hebrew, the word translated into English as Babylon is "Babel".  In other words, there is no Babylon in the Hebrew.  Only "Babel". 

For example:  http://www.blueletterbible.org/Bible.cfm?b=2Ki&c=17&v=30&t=KJV#conc/30

So, if the only language you understood was Hebrew or Aramaic, you would never have heard of Babylon.  Only Babel.

Kapisch?

[Elijah]

cool
so its Babylon you claim is the word not used
it is all Babel;
it says Nebuchadnezzar of Babel.
I got it.
Then why do some scholars insist that
the English to Babble-on and on
is not from Hebrews who mock Babylon by
saying it is a Babel of confusion

I mean thats like 90 years from now
claiming no one ever said Obama-nation
and knowing it means two ways

[notalent]

cool
so its Babylon you claim is the word not used
it is all Babel
it says Nebuchadnezzar of Babel
got it

Yep.  I listed all the references for you.  Just pick one and look at the Hebrew (or Aramaic in the case of Esther, Daniel, etc.).  It's "Babel", ALWAYS.

[Elijah]

i appreciate that fact, thanx
you always sound like a critic so i guess i took it opposite