The fate of the Ark of the Covenant is mentioned in the Bible...

[Elijah]

This is the most astound astute profound words I have ever seen you write. Are you the same person?  I even chuckled.

[Susan Burns]

Tebah may come from the Egyptian word for hippopotamus.

[Elijah]

So am I to be condemned as an embellisher if I could certainly believe that a hippopotamus is a big floating barge.

However, Noahs ark had a draft of 15 cubits for the whole 150 days which is only half its height. So it wasnt quite loaded down like a hippo. And it means the first wave of water hitting it was deeper than 22.5 feet, calculation being in waves of 40 feet every 12 hours. Perhaps because tectonics seems to lift or drop ocean floors by this figure that it suits the ark height quite well. On the other hand it seems more logical that there was no sense in building a vessell that was more than one flight down from the door, and one flight up from the door. And pray the door be sealed water tight the 150 days of floating. It irritates me to see these sketches of a proper box, and then ruined by throwing a staircase up the side to the very top.

The argument that the Hebrew word or language should set above the world's language is refuted if you accept Jesus because the word of the Christ was then written in Greek, a pagan language that defined Sheol and a living underworld called Hades. Jesus spoke in parables to show that its not the words that tells the story, but the mind who can see what is being said. Those who live by dictionary and translation books also live by petty details of laws that keep getting wordier and wordier, and pays those who spend all day on the words, with the money of our hard work that feeds them. Where is my pay! Your banks now paid it. I could gripe on my meager existence, yet I wouldnt trade what I learned. Or would I?

So anyways I go back to Hitite-Angle definition of ark equating baby Moses and floating Noah and cedar chest for texts all as the same.... they keep WATER out. Saying that we must except the word of God as Hebrew above other languages is accusing language itself as lie and pagan. That is not where the error is. If you are raised to define a word one way, and you mistake it another, you have erred. But the way you use it, if you teach your child, then you and child are using the word the same way. So then error will only exist if it defies truth of science. Example, if i teach the word "sleep" means walk around as in sleep walk, and the word "awake" or wake means to lay down, my reversal of the word doesnt change the existence of the rose, it is still a rose. So the error is only between me and those who use it opposite. But between me and my children, it becomes a new language, and it may not contradict science at all. Therefore Sheol or Hades or underworld or pit or hole or whatever word isnt what defines it, but it is you and how you know it to be reality that determines if you are in error or know truth.
I found it interesting that one webpage pointed out Noah had few adult animals because his ceilings were only 13 feet high if you allow four 1-foot heavy floors. It doesnt seem logical that he would bring anything other than adolescent puberty.

[Susan Burns]

To the Egyptian mind, rebirth was not only synonymous with death, it took the place of it. Mes (birth) takes the place of death (mut) and mastebah is the sarcophagus considered as the place of rebirth. The first, the original, the primordial waters (Teb) was represented by the hippo the bearer of the merukabatu (chariot) or Ursa Major. Ah means abode so tebah means primordial waters of the first abode and mastebah means primordial waters rebirth of first abode.

[Elijah]

To the Egyptian mind, rebirth was not only synonymous with death, it took the place of it. Mes (birth) takes the place of death (mut) and mastebah is the sarcophagus considered as the place of rebirth. The first, the original, the primordial waters (Teb) was represented by the hippo the bearer of the merukabatu (chariot) or Ursa Major. Ah means abode so tebah means primordial waters of the first abode and mastebah means primordial waters rebirth of first abode.

See if I have you correct here,
Teb- Ah = waters- abode
Mes- Teb- Ah (mastaba) = birth- waters- abode

I can see that. It is an evil lie created by Egyptians. They are saying the sarcophagus is Noahs ark and that as Noah survived or lived thru the Flood into the new world that this planet turned into, that they too are just going into a new world when they get into that sarcophagus or ark. I am surprised they didnt bury them alive. Or put trap doors in the bottom as if to go into the underworld. But this does bring up good argument of whether the tebah was sealed or not sealed. Because we are comparing the ark to preserve Noah to the ark preserving baby Moses to the ark for preserving the manna and bible. It is being argued as not the same if we go by ONE language (Hebrew). I differ. Jesus and the Jews both spoke Hebrew, but this didnt stop Jews from altering their Sheol to believe the dead are reborn alive in it like the Greek Hades was. In fact before Jesus went to heaven, they already accepted the concept that their Hebrew Sheol had released its dead to all go with Abram leading them to heaven. So how can anyone dare say that interpretative teachings of the Bible have not changed though the words remain the same. And now here, they argue what kind of global Flood, and Black Sea, and Mediterranean, and Iranian mountain, and ice age meltdown. Nothing has changed, todays science is mentally as smart as then 4000 years ago, and then too mentally fabricates and embellishes as then.

Reminds me of the relation between Arpaxad as birth of nations likened to rebirth of mountains (Little Ararat). He was conceived on the grounded ark when Little Ararat poked up out of the global ocean, yet Reu Aanipada was anointed with oil by Peleg Mesanipada to be elder of the house (Ur) on 2207 BC Feb 28 being the 10-01-764 in honor of that conception on the ark on 10-01-600 (2368 BC July 8, the day before current Armenian epoc... twice 1460 years to 552 AD). He didnt become king until the new year May 29 (1-01-765) and is why Egypt in 1290 BC thought his new Year as king was Thoth 1 on Feb 26 (a 2 day error from anointing). But from Jupiter as Marduk (2258 BC Feb 26 being Noahs 360-day new year) then every 83 years to 2009 BC Feb 26, it is easy to see where the world would regard every annual Feb 26 as a Sothic observation day for Jupiter and thus regard it as testimony or proof. However, 83-year Jupiter thus falls on 764 BC Feb 26, not the Thoth 1 of Feb 26 in 747 BC as 1460 years.

well that agrees with the Venus passage into Aquarius waters reached on day 40....
2370 BC Nov 27 to 2369 BC Jan 6  end of Flood rain
(Noahs 2-17 to 3-27)
and
2021 BC Dec 24 to 2020 BC Feb 2 end of seance for Noah
(Noahs 4-17 to 5-27)

I have never applied the 40 days to 1437 BC Feb 2 (Aquarius on 11-27) but it is clear to me it came from 600x 360 days after 2029 BC rising Sothic Venus at end of high Nile (July 19 = 9-27 and Sep 17 = 11-27). The 9-27 couldnt be used in 1437 BC because Venus had not reached conjunction yet, and this is so because 8-year Venus is only 592 years at this point with 8 years to go and thus dates of 365 days not 360 days. Misapplication by them which proves that their confusion is the belief that Earth's orbit of 360 days before Flood had to be applied to Venus. But changing the whole planet Earth, then only changes the number of days or units for Venus, not the number of years; our orbit still places Venus against the same stars. In other words 600 years before Flood using 360 days and 600 years after Flood using 365 days are still both the same 5,259,600 hours (8766 hours per year).

It is all about these cultures haveing the same deep sense of science that we do, but lack of cooperation in communication due to greed and selfish prevents sacrifice to find true science or even keep it when found, prevent it form being corrupted. Few people realize that Jesus is a mirror of what we do, we kill those who understand the best because we think they are nuts who have to be pushed out, shunned, or killed.

[Susan Burns]

The underworld is where the sun goes after it crosses the horizon line. It is not underground.

Tebah is the platform in the middle of the synogogue where the Torah is read. Tabot is the wooden cabinet (cab comes from Khab/Chavah) the Beta Israel carry the 10 commandments on. In the Song of Solomon, a merkava is a seat belonging to a chair. The seat and chariot are symbols of the genetrix, Kefa, or Chavah, the goddess of the Great Bear, who was the bearer before chariots were invented. When invented, the chariot is called by the name of chavah or khab.

[Elijah]

Well that is like Americans who say that Australia is the underworld or down under. It is thinking that north pole is on top and south pole is underneath.

In that sense, the above world is toward the sun, and the underworld is the half in the dark which would mean our surface of our planet goes into the underworld while the other half is up in the light of the above world.

Science itself is reversed so often, i.e. that if electricity is a movement of electrons from positive to negative, that it means holes for vacancies move from negative to positive. This is dangerous because it takes away from the fact the danger is with the positive wire not negative. It is a linguistic semantics issue not of tangible electrons versus vacant holes of missing electrons, but rather positi ve and negative charge is not the same as a positive or negative number of those charges. if 5 vacancy holes exist because 5 negative electrons are missing then the number of missing is -5 but the protons therefore make the atom a +5 in charge. but if the number of electrons extra is 5 in number then that is a positive number of +5 electrins each having a negative charge so the charge is a -5. Numeric versus electrical charge both existing at the same time. It has nothing to do with arguing which way the flow goes. Satan exists in science because religion is only the freedom to choose which science, a true science or false science you choose to put faith in. What I know of electricity is enough to see we have peaked as 12th dynasty did, and now plummet to a stupid social culture that will know nothing when the exodus comet arrives for Moses.

I dont think you can argue who of millions on earth back then believed whichh way the underworld was. My Bible tells me they buried Jacob 40 days as they did Noah both at Flood and at death 350 years later. And it also tells me they then mourned him 70 days as the absence of Sirius which sets as Canis on May 8 and rises 70 days later on July 17 as Anubis. This started in with Peleg Mesanipada 2030 BC the same year as the death god Sokar which I would drool to know which star he is since it suppose to mark this same year that Unas died.

Thuban is 2170 BC, revised in 2078 BC with the reflected shaft. Seth (Set) is the star Alioth of the big Dipper according to the painted wall. and since 2078 BC is Ur's Osaros moon the poems refer to Egyptian Set opposing it. Is that preference or actually 180 days in the sky? A quick check on 2078 BC Jan 7 and Jupiter is at the foot of Leo opposite the sun and absent new moon, thus at sunset is at the forefeet of the lion fully risen from horizon and Anubis standing too.

You cannot take people's freedom of speech and thought away; it is an absolute fraud to think at anytime in history that any single word had an equal definition among all and ever individual person. While arguing who is right and who is wrong about what anyone believes or once beleived, they all did that back then too, which verifies they all beleived differently. You must accept this fact, or you become among those who control by saying there is only one way.

[Moses]

Why not accept that the Tebah and Aron are two different words?

And if God dictated the Torah to Moses and Moses recorded it in Hebrew he Moses would have used the same word for both.

The simple truth is these are two different words.
Then there are all the attempts to distort and twist the truth to so it matches some believe or hunch.

[Elijah]

No aboslutely NOT. We have many case examples where God Jehovah is not that way. Case #1, The English ProTESTant view that Jehovah authorized the King James Bible to be as He God wanted it to read. This is not true. But if it is not true with that Anglo church-bride who split off of Catholicism with good reason (perhaps love of God /or perhaps a public fit in desire of marital divorces), yet losing her spirit-driven path to become just another daughter whore of the  mother whore, then how can it be true for words in the days of Moses. How could God say the Hebrew spoken by Moses is above and greater than the Hebrew by Abram, or the Hebrew by Noah, or if there was hebrew for Noah or Adam since Hebrew started with Eber and perhaps it is a lie to say it existed before him.
     You ignore that Jehovah is not chosen words, but rather he is truth and reality. There was no such word as incest prior to Moses calling it such. It was REALIZED as the problem why Sarai kept aborting her fertilized eggs for 58 years from 1991-1933 BC (age 17-75). What WAS God Jehovah had changed with short longevity. During the 1000 years brother will marry sister and have no flaws in children; the clensing is a scientific reality restored by longevity. So too Noah had no Hebrew word for Egyptian beastiality, people did no such thing; there was no Hebrew word for it. And do tell me the word sodomy is Hebrew? Greek? English? The concept that that God created Adam with writing is a lie. Writing was not systemized until kingship declared it must be in 2207 BC. The writings that that I know in my faith are on the ark are not systemized at all. They are pictoral as if cave men, (who dwelt after the Flood not before it).
     Everything I know is taught to me by Jehovah... clarified by experience. A friend said I was fabricating things to say holiday is holy day. And with this I learned there will always be those who say things are not so in words. This is why when i see two chronologies count the same numeric figure and one says the year is Manu (Noah) and the other says it is Menes (Mena), then I know they both had the same name in regard this position they held in the eyes of the public. And when these years cross at the death of Noah, it becomes clear that some allowed Nimrod to be the new Leader (of opinion) after Noah died.
     Yes I disagree with scholars who say that Anglo babble is not Babylon nor Babel confusing words. Evidence as Jehovah speaks louder to me than scholars of the world. And I need not prove it true, but rather await Jehovah to prove it true or prove it false. But He should do it, not other men. That is why men kill, because they hate a person who changes later instead of when that person wanted to shove it down your throat for thinking youre always right.
    Josephus states it well; he perceives Abram as a man who dared to have the audacity to have a serious opinion on all topics. Yep, that's me too; and who ever is this way, I know it is a way that is hated.
So are you now okay with the fact that I accept Anglo words from Hitites of Ararat for the word ark as a cedar chest. I will credit this war against me as Jehovah teaching me ONE thing thru you posting in this war, that it may be the difference is sealed container versus unsealed container, yet both containers are to keep water out, so both are arks. I seriously question whether Hebrew existed before Eber because scholars say Sumerian did. Though Sumerian may be like an invented Latin for scholars only. What brings this doubt to me is the fact that Jewish lie (a lie from those descending from Judah) claims the 19-year calendar was created by God in the mind of awaking Adam in 3761 BC. It denies astral impact effect at The Flood. It is one of many astral doctrines which has caused all chronology to be twisted. Adam was not created that year. The 4025 BC he was created in does not fall on 19 years. Science scoffs at the Bible because of these lies that the Bible never says. And so you must seek science that agrees with the  bible. This does not mean twist the bible to fit what YOU THINK is science. But nor does it mean twist science to what you think the bible says. BOttom line, let Jehovah prove what he is and be willing to change what isproven wrong to you.

ELIJAH (the name means it is jehovah who is God)

[notalent]

No aboslutely NOT. We have many case examples where God Jehovah is not that way. Case #1, The English ProTESTant view that Jehovah authorized the King James Bible to be as He God wanted it to read. This is not true. But if it is not true with that Anglo church-bride who split off of Catholicism with good reason (perhaps love of God /or perhaps a public fit in desire of marital divorces), yet losing her spirit-driven path to become just another daughter whore of the  mother whore, then how can it be true for words in the days of Moses. How could God say the Hebrew spoken by Moses is above and greater than the Hebrew by Abram, or the Hebrew by Noah, or if there was hebrew for Noah or Adam since Hebrew started with Eber and perhaps it is a lie to say it existed before him.
     You ignore that Jehovah is not chosen words, but rather he is truth and reality. There was no such word as incest prior to Moses calling it such. It was REALIZED as the problem why Sarai kept aborting her fertilized eggs for 58 years from 1991-1933 BC (age 17-75).

Of course, the advantage of taking your view is that one may then freely ignore what Moses actually wrote and simply add any one of a number of plausible scenarios to fit ones personal preferences or satisfy one's imagination.  Then one can invent stuff like aborting eggs and making Abram a astronomer and calendar inventor, not to mention a professor of the discipline within his own corporation.

Just make it all up and call it The Truth, because Moses got it wrong.  Perfect idea.

What WAS God Jehovah had changed with short longevity.

Try "diminished longevity" next time.  It avoids oxymoron.

During the 1000 years brother will marry sister and have no flaws in children; the clensing is a scientific reality restored by longevity. So too Noah had no Hebrew word for Egyptian beastiality, people did no such thing; there was no Hebrew word for it. And do tell me the word sodomy is Hebrew? Greek? English? The concept that that God created Adam with writing is a lie. Writing was not systemized until kingship declared it must be in 2207 BC.

I guess a citation isn't needed here, since you are the ultimate source of these amazing facts.

The writings that that I know in my faith are on the ark are not systemized at all. They are pictoral as if cave men, (who dwelt after the Flood not before it).

I don't wonder anymore why you scarcely even bother with the Bible.  You are reading the ark library sight unseen, complete with pictures.  That's an advantage only an Elijah could enjoy.  Thanks for sharing.

     Everything I know is taught to me by Jehovah... clarified by experience.

ELIJAH (the name means it is jehovah who is God)

This illustrates things perfectly.  If Jehovah were teaching you, you'd understand that Elijah means "my God is Jehovah", not "Jehovah who is God."

[Elijah]

You are blind because for anyone to say jehovah is my God, it means not that some name is their god versus another name as someone elses god. It means exactly what is aid, that the nature of god is that of being a jehovah or a cause and effect as he proves to be and this doesnt de-personify him.

As for you, my lord is Jesus not you, he taught me that Moses ignored that jehovah gave Adam one wife, because Moses desired all single women to be either virgin or widowed so that all deflowered women must marry the man who did it even if he had a wife already. As such it was abused to use as an excuse for polygamy. Thus Jesus said Moses needs correction; a people of hard-heart were allowed this, yes, even the king allowed 300 wives, but it will not be, because Adam was stuck with his one wife for life... (she did not fornicate. Just so you dont think I adovcate Catholic view which ignores Jesus suggesting the divorce of any wife who is whore.) BUT you say we do not have this right that Jesus took upon himself and he gave to us to correct Moses. Are you Jewish? Or are you one of these christian churches who believe we must continue Jewish worship! Those who worshipped Mose are those after his death. None living really liked him, it says so. They defied him, they said the wanted to worship Jehovah, but not the way that Moses saw jehovah. And truth is the whole history proves it down to Nebuchadnezzar. YOU think that reality, and seeing it, and living by it, is a stand against the bible. You refuse to see that life even existed in 2000 BC outside Abram, or in 1500 BC oustise Moses and the Bible. But as for me, i see the wife of Moses, and father-in-law whom Moses consulted, and even Job who was not a Jew. Archeology includes ALL THE EARTH not just Jewish or Bible. But as a Bible forum, this forum acknowledges that the Bible has spread thruout the world, and does speak of every nation, and their descent from Noah.

[notalent]

You ar eblind because for anyone to say jehovah is my God,

It's  Eli "My God" Yahu  "is Jehovah".

it means not that some name is their god versus another name as someone elses god.

It means exactly what is aid, that the nature of god is that of being a jehovah or a cause and effect as he rpoves to be and this doesnt de-personify him.

You can't make up your own Hebrew lexicon, Richard.  Eli is literally "My God".  Remember the cognate Aramaic, Eloi, as in "My God, My God (Eloi, Eloi), why has thou forsaken me".

Jesus didn't say on the cross, "God who is, God who is, why have you forsaken me."

How about Avi "My father".  Does it really mean "Father who is"?  Of course not.

[Elijah]

I am not without appreciation of education, your lesson is accepted, not in proving me wrong in what it says, because you make issue of whether i say, god is gold, or my god is gold. It is one in the same. If my god is gold i will then regard god as gold. As beauty is in the eye of the beholder, so is his god as such, so is god as such. Almost all people believe god as they see him, not as he is, because what you see, is how you will beleive it. That is why being open is important, but you are claming and predicting that all open ends will lead to more lies and embelishment than to truth. Sorry, that may be true, but truth is not found in confinement which prevents the process of learning discovery. Adam and Eve did not make use of fire, their two sons did and thus another dispute as with the fruit.

[notalent]

I am not without appreciation of education, your lesson is accepted, not in proving me wrong in what it says, because you make issue of whether i say, god is gold, or my god is gold. It is one in the same.

But they're not one in the same.  The devil and his followers will acknowledge God and his name, but they won't say "He is my God".

If my god is gold i will then regard god as gold. As beauty is in the eye of the beholder, so is his god as such, so is god as such. Almost all people believe god as they see him, not as he is, because what you see, is how you will beleive it. That is why being open is important, but you are claming and predicting that all open ends will lead to more lies and embelishment than to truth. Sorry, that may be true, but truth is not found in confinement which prevents the process of learning discovery.

Adam and Eve did not make use of fire, their two sons did and thus another dispute as with the fruit.

Who says they didn't use fire?  Do you imagine they lived 900 years without ever making a sacrifice?  Cooking anything?  Warming themselves?  Who says there were disputes among the sons over fire?

Forgive my ignorance, but I just cannot understand such mental processes.

IMHO, this illustrates as reason No. 1 for the advice against  leaning upon one's own understanding.

[Elijah]

Not at all. How often do people assume things and put an innocent man in prison or kill him. I agree assumption and one's own understanding is dangerous... but one's own understanding doesn't mean toss out what you see and go follow others. It means do not use only your own input of only what YOU see and not what others see. I am very much aware of what you think of what I say. And I have been there too. Halleys handbook said the Egyptian Greek LXX aligns with Egyptian chronology (I knew they didnt mean absurd or past views butu specifically the Ramses papyrus canon), so I gave them credit there. But like you I perceived them as saying maybe the greek Genesis is true instead of the Hebrew. So I looked at them as spineless and without dare or guts to defend the Hebrew Genesis. What I failed to do is see that perhaps they were merely submitting that one agrees in a merge, and the other is short Genesis. When I humbled myself to not judge them beyond or more than their guilt (yes judge their guilt, but not more than their guilt), I then realized the short Genesis had astral factors that were recalulated to fit the astral claims of Egypt. And boom, everything in Hebrew was redicipherable. So point is, I have been in your shoes with zeal seeing a defence for God against the Halley Handbook that was not a defence needed.... I was putting christ to death, killing on a witch-hunt premise, as it feels you do to me. Yes mere insecurity and defence in one's hertfelt belief you defend God (God's truth).
     Now let's look at your words and see if you went beyond what i said, yes you said for 900 years. Hello, once Cain and Abel determined that fire could be carried about, kept aflamed, and used, of course mom and dad knew and then used it.... that is why when it says jehovah says I saw what you did, your brother's blood cries out, it doesnt mean God likes to talk to murderer sinners. It means the family knew Cain's anger against Abel, and warned him, and now said hey were is our son, where is our brother. And his atitude of why ask me was an obvious conclusion of something very wrong though no one had ever been murdered before. Yes, as I said those who judge and are wrong, over judging, are also those who do judge and determine correctly many times. We are full capable of seeing indications and knowing in our hearts what happened. We had a woman die at a Kingdom Hall in 1983 a month aftermy calling, claimed it a break in. I asked the dead woman's mother who of course heard the WHOLE story, and I nosed and inquired in loving concern, and hurt so bad because she was my age, how does he (her husband) know if she was dead or not, so that he calls his parents before the hospital. How does he not know what part of her was bleeding (he head was bashed in). Why would a thief take nothing but bash this man's most prized fish tank (worth more than his wife). It pointed vry much to him. And 3 days later they found the baseball bat in the attic. This is not a gift from God that only I have. You have it too. It is called open your eyes and see, beyond what you are choosing to see as fact.
   Yes do not lean on YOUR understanding, gather all others, for in all (together, collectively) will be found Jehovah (not just Satan). The fact that the whole can unveil Jehovah does not mean a majority vote will be of Jehovah.
Do you see better now, the God Jehovah that I have. Do I see him, yes, do i hear him yes, much better than most people. Am I worthy of saying I hear him, no, because I do not do what I know. I am full of loneliness and self-pity.

MY NEXT TOPIC (discovery yesterday):
The samaritan death of Noah in 1656 AM places Nimrod's death in 2256 AM in the same Greek year 2009 BC.
Ok so, I have already figured their Adam yesterday but havent looked at what  year 6000 that makes it.

4265 BC adam
1307
2958 BC Greek Flood
 350
2608 BC when Noah dies at 950 it is in 1656 AM
              (the real 1656 AM is his rebirth thru Flood 2370 BC)
              (not depite using Greek Flood year they defy Greek belief that 1656 AM is Noah's birth in 3558 BC with Flood 2958 BC as Greek Adam 2256 AM instead of Samaritan Adam 1307 AM.

2009 BC = Samaritan Adam's 2256 AM as Nimrod's death