The fate of the Ark of the Covenant is mentioned in the Bible...

[notalent]

     Now let's look at your words and see if you went beyond what i said, yes you said for 900 years. Hello, once Cain and Abel determined that fire could be carried about, kept aflamed, and used, of course mom and dad knew and then used it....

So God neglected to show Adam and Eve how to make a burnt offering, even though he showed them how to make clothing from skin?  They had to learn the burnt offering from their son?  Surely you jest. 

that is why when it says jehovah says I saw what you did, your brother's blood cries out, it doesnt mean God likes to talk to murderer sinners. It means the family knew Cain's anger against Abel, and warned him, and now said hey were is our son, where is our brother.

Here we go again.  God didn't speak directly to Cain as the text clearly states?  He spoke through the family instead?  Again one must ask, "Says who?" and "Why not?"

[Elijah]

4265 BC adam
1307
2958 BC Greek Flood
 350
2608 BC when Noah dies at 950 it is in 1656 AM
              (the real 1656 AM is his rebirth thru Flood 2370 BC)
              (not depite using Greek Flood year they defy Greek belief that 1656 AM is Noah's birth in 3558 BC with Flood 2958 BC as Greek Adam 2242 AM instead of Samaritan Adam 1307 AM.

2009 BC = Samaritan Adam's 2256 AM as Nimrod's death

This is a God-send verifying that Nimrod died in 2256 AM.
The Greeks place Nimrod's death at 500 in 2009 BC (Babel's Marduk Street) as year 3192 AM with 1656 AM as Noah's birth and 2256 AM as Noah's Flood and 950 years later as Marduk in 3192 AM. The issue is astral with a 600-year half cycle of Venus, and a calendar of 936 years for both Venus and Mars to meet.

Hebrew                                          Greek
Noahs birth 1056 AM =2970 BC     birth 1642 AM
Flood           1656 AM = 2370 BC     2242 AM = 2958 BC
Noah dies      350      = 2020 BC     
at 500            600                           
Nimrod dies 2256 AM = 1770 BC
Marduk calendar 936 years          949 years = year 950
Marduk       3192 AM =  834 BC     3192 AM = 2009 BC

3192 AM mistaken as 2009 BC (correctly 834 BC)
Neo Babylon 3192 = 2256 +936
Flood 2947 BC /Arpaxad 2945 BC /Marduk 2009 BC
This is an armageddon calendar to total 6000.
year 2256 +3744 = 6000 and (3744 =4x 936)
year 2256+936 = year 3192   (year 3192 +2808 =6000)
2808 is 3x 936

Mayan Palenque is a memorial to this calendar
to confirm formula of year 2256 as leaving 3744
until year 6000 (3744 = 4x 936) and
(3192 = 2256 +936)  as:
Flood 3114 BC /Arpaxad 3113 BC /Marduk 2177 BC

But Greeks alter year 2256 to be year 2242
and Hindu alter it to be year 2262 debating whose longevity is Mena (is it Menes /Narmer-rod? is it Manu /Man-Nu is man Noah? or is it Adamu the first man?)

year 3192 = 2256+936
(because 936x365d = 949x 360d so the year 950 is declared to be both Marduk and Tau and Ptah all in one = 2009 BC)
year 3192 = 2242+950 memorial to Noahs 950
year 3192 = 2262+930 memorial to Adams 930
This is a declaration after the Flood that we cannot live 930 or 950 years like Adam and like Noah. Noah failed to be better than Adam as a father.
This is why both Greek and Babylon have a 5200 BC Adam as 3600 years before they beleive Babylon ended in 1600 BC. In reality Babylon ended in 1594 BC, and the Venus of 2400+3600 is Amizaduga's end in 1626 BC. From this 5200 BC Adam the Greek Flood is year 2242+950 to 2009 BC Marduk in year 3192, while from 5200 BC Adam the NeoBabylon Flood 2947 BC has an Arpaxad 2945 BC in year 2256+936 to the same 2009 BC where both chronologies think Marduk New Year is Egyptian date Jan 8 on Thoth 1. It is not, it is Noahs year 966 of July 8 in 360 days, thus 360-year span of 365 calendar years... in which 359-year span of 364 calendar years is 7 days of 52-year Marduk (28x 13 years).

Though long ago I saw that the Samaritan used 1656 AM as Noah's death (1306+350 or 1307+349), and by adding 600 to this I also saw (but never developed) that another 600 years to year 2256 would be year 950 after a Samritan Flood so that Greek year 950 is used as 2256+950=3192 but Samaritan 950 is used as 1306 years (to 1307 AM) +950 =2256. Yes several years ago I saw the use for 2256 by Samaria, and I also saw that it was chosen instead of 3192. BUT it is only yesterday that I realized that the reason Samaria accepts extended post-Flood but shrinks preFlood is due to this, their using the same Greek 2958-2009 BC or Babylon 2945-2009 BC. This makes 2009 BC their year 2256 which I never knew before. But it proves they knew 2256 AM was after the Flood and was NOT the Flood. It proves they knew NImrod died in 2256 AM not in 3192 AM. And so the Samaritan year 3192 is in 1073 BC instead of Greek 3192 in 2009 BC, of which Josephus thnks Solomon's temple marks the same Jupiter Marduk as Babylon's year 3192.

Greek Adam 5200 BC          Samaritan Adam 4264 BC
Noah 1642 AM = 3558 BC       Noah   707 AM = 3558 BC
Flood 2242 AM = 2958 BC       Flood  1307 AM = 2958 BC
dies in year           350                        350
         2592 AM = 2608 BC        dies    1656 AM = 2608 BC
Marduk year 950   600                          600
         3192 AM = 2009 BC                   2256 AM = 2009 BC
           +936     = 1073 BC                   3192 AM = 1073 BC
           +936     =   137 BC                   +936      =   137 BC
   Year 6000      = 800 AD                     +936     =   800 AD
                                                     year 6000    = 1736 AD

The british movement of protesting for religious freedom. It requires an Adam of 4237 BC to get the 1763 AD proclamation.
 

[Elijah]

wait a minute, wait a minute. So I am adding to Genesis and yet YOU are not adding to Genesis. No where does the book ever say Adam or Eve made a burnt offering. Who and what and what way of reasoning gives you that right to declare they did or assume they did if you say I myself am shamefully going beyond God Jehovah. Are you the fire calling the kettle black. And where do you feel or have right to say that if they had made one, that God had to show them how. No where does it say that Cain or Abel were told by God to make this offering. Further, not only do you assume that taught by their sons would be wrong and that its God who should teach them or continued to teach them, this then ignores that the christ leading parents back to God would be a descendent son not the father. As Jesus said why does David call his son My Lord? This started with Abel being called by Eve as my Lord, and when he was killed then Seth replaced him. No where does it say Seth replaced Abel as a 3rd son 130 years later. Other brothers were born between Abel and Seth because the replacement was the birth of a son who discovered things like Abel did, and was right about things he discovered. Or did you not know that Judah was not firstborn, nor was Joseph... yet Joseph was firstborn of the first vowed wife. And Jacob did choose him until he thought him dead, so that Judah age 20-40 replaced him (age 17-37) for 20 years thinking he was dead. It would seem you feel you can extend or embellish too if you feel that I do, yet you have no mental reasoning behind it other than to give glory to God. But God wants glory that is true, not just anything without evidence. There is eveidence for what I say, and you refuse to see that probability or odds.

[notalent]

wait a minute, wait a minute. So I am adding to Genesis and yet YOU are not adding to Genesis. No where does the book ever say Adam or Eve made a burnt offering. Who and what and what way of reasoning gives you that right to declare they did or assume they did if you say I myself am shamefully going beyond God Jehovah. Are you the fire calling the kettle black. And where do you feel or have right to say that if they had made one, that God had to show them how. No where does it say that Cain or Abel were told by God to make this offering.

If the burnt offering was the invention of the younger brother Abel, then God would not have held Cain accountable.  But if it was taught from God to all men of that age, then Cain was responsible.  Otherwise, you are in the awkward position of accusing Adam with Cain's sin too, or that sons are responsible to teach the fathers what to do.  A little backwards, don't you think?

[Elijah]

No. As posted here or in Google newsgroup before, I give Rebecca as my witness of Jehovah. Her selecting Jacob was based on witnessing who she could see by daily experience and witness by yearly results who Jehovah was with, despite clear indication that Isaac was going to bless the first born. Abram had his excuses in how Isaac was the true firstborn of first wife, yes his only wife, since he denied marriage to Hagar, and so Ishmael was his hope as firstborn only until Isaac came along. For a certainty, why would he impregnate Sarai after 14 years if he had hope in this 13-year old son. But Isaac properly kept one wife in a polygamous world and he had no excuse if he had blessed Jacob instead of Esau. Rebecca felt the soup agreement was valid. The path each one took could easily have proven who Jehovah would be with. But is Jehovah choosing this himself, or is it they who prove who loves Jehovah more. Notice that at 77-97 that Jacob was no where living life with Esau, and so the results of those 20 years were all pending on the future.
     So too, it is Cain and Esau who feel they as older know more than the younger, and true I have no doubt they get this from Adam and from Isaac their fathers. But Jehovah proves whether fathers are right or wrong about their sons. In the case of the burnt offering it says the smell was sweet when for animals it was expected not to be. Certainly they had smelled burnt animal on volcanic land before. It stinks toxic. Josephus himself writes an excerpt on how the prep is what prevented the sheep from beng toxic fumes. The fact that Cain could be wrong indicates that neither brother knew what to expect, other than the fact Abel had faith he could cut off the bad that would be toxic.... the wool. He skinned it. And this agrees with scripture that they had already quit the fig leaves and had taken to wearing the skin of animals.

[notalent]

No. As posted here or in Google newsgroup before, I give Rebecca as my witness of Jehovah. Her selecting Jacob was based on witnessing who she could see by daily experience and witness by yearly results who Jehovah was with, despite clear indication that Isaac was going to bless the first born. Abram had his excuses in how Isaac was firstborn not Ishmael. But Isaac properly kept one wife in a polygamous world and he had no excuse if he blessed Jacob instead of Esau.

I'm sorry, but I can make neither head nor tail of what you wrote here, much less how or even if it applies to my point about the source of of knowledge about burnt offerings to God.

[Elijah]

Jehovah once told a prophet that eating would kill him. He then died because another person coerced him into eating. He was correct that his stomach could not handle the food.

The thought occurred to me that if they were cooking meat and yet had never eaten any before the Flood, then obviously it was the meat of animals they killed to clothe themselves. Why would you take skin from dead animals. You wouldnt. It is unclean. But now what do you do with the carcass. Well other animals eat it, despite the christian claim that no animals eat each other before the flood. Yeh right, cats did not eat mice, hmm. Yeh right a snake did not eat mice. Think not. But however, the fact that cooking it was a smell of pleasure, they may very well have done that like porpouri before discarding it to be eaten by other animals. The fact remains that Noah did not bring 14 animals on board (7 pair) assumed to breed, but 3 pairs and one to sacrifice as need be.... which turned out to be a need to eat thru winter. Or for that matter they were starving when they got off the ark to see a barren world.

[notalent]

Jehovah once told a prophet that eating would kill him. He then died because another person coerced him into eating. He was correct that his stomach could not handle the food.

I must be stupid, because I cannot for the life of me see how this explains that Abel invented the burnt offering (and using fire for all kinds of stuff), and so his older brother and father were responsible to do burnt offerings too, and they also learned the other benefits of fire from Abel, the alleged fire-making pioneer.

[Elijah]

I do not see how or wher you feel anything Abel or anyone did with a burnt offering would make his father Adam or brother Cain responsible to like wise do burnt offerings. No where does it ever say they were or are, or ever will be. The burnt offering was to prove who knew jehovah better, was it Cain or was it Abel. Hey who knows, maybe Eve prodded Abel to do it and show them all he was right.

 The topic there is one of self-sacrifice, taking the loss of your pet or sheep or things you own to prove and show others new knowledge. But that sacrifice bcame even his own life and his own blood. It is both a lesson of warning not to hate the teacher, but also one to be like the teacher and accept the loss even if it be your own life. Noah sacrificed after the Flood to prove that the world looked like it had changed, but those changes were really all the same physical laws already existing.

No where does God Jehovah say I want to be worshipped by fancy myths and celebrations and party making or by burnt offering or sadness or depression. Jehovah is the physical laws we must do to be happy... he stays the same there, until we learn it.

I kept a book in 1992 (500 years of Columbus) on how Columbus believed the economic control of the world was gold and that the Church would spread God by gold from India. It prints the Seder Olam chronology 3761 BC Adam as that influence which makes no sense at all since I already hade months before in that year realized that Smaritan chronology can count to 1492 AD as year 6000.

Roman /Chinese Flood year 2953 BC

Adam 4509 BC
   +1556 years Samaritan (Jared 62 not 162)
Flood 2953 BC
       +700
Nimrod's death in 2256 AM = 2253 BC
     + 3744
year 6000 = 1492 AD

Nimrod was born 100 years after Flood and lived 500. All great longevity was born within 100 years after the Flood. But the pyramid was started in year 200 which is another 500 years to 700 as 2256 AM instead of the 600-year half-cycle of Venus that it is. The 1556 lacks this 600-year correlation and why it didnt hold up. Another factor is Noah was 700 when Nimrod was born only 100 after the Flood.
The extended chronology places his death as 950 years after the Flood (in 365 days or in 360 days, a total difference of 14 years which Josephus just changes Arpaxad then from 2 years to 12 years), but this places 500-year Nimrod as born in year 450 after the Flood.

Greek 2242 flood +450 =2692 +500= 3192
as 5200 BC to 2958 BC to 2509 BC to 2009 BC
Samaritan 1556 flood +450=2006 +500=2506
Hebrew    1656 flood +350 =2006 for Noah
The concept of Nimrod born to replace Noah is here,
but reality is Nimrod (Narmer) was 250 in 2020 BC when he replaced Noah with a Pharaoh (HOUSE) and lived 250 more years to die in year 2256 (Hamurabi' 1770 BC Marduk calendar of 3744 years).

[Susan Burns]

IMO arc comes from the Egyptian word barq. The eqyptians used these vessels as burial chambers to carry the deceased into the underworld. There is evidence that the Hebrews used barqs as burial vessels through the story of Joseph. The story is that Joseph's coffin was miraculously retrieved from the Nile before the Exodus so that it could be brought into the Promised Land.

The tradition of the burnt offering IMO comes from Canaanite practice of sacrificing first born son without blemish in the furnace. There is much archaeological evidence that Hebrews are simply reformed Canaanites.

[Elijah]

I dont except the second half, the Canaanite Hebrew Jews. Isaac and Rebecca were very dismayed Esau married one.

But I value the barq tradition of Joseph. Obviously Egyptians would insist on Egyptian burial which may be down river and out to sea, so of course they would say it was a miracle we got that barq back without them knowing it.

But then, of course NoTalent again would say I am all barq and no bite.

[Elijah]

Studying history is much like studying the family you see down the street, some worship them, some gossip trash about them, either sources of them could be true or false. And you can even hear yourself say, yes I could hear that family (imagine them) saying this or that. Sounds like what they would say. But then did they?

[Susan Burns]

I don't think you can disregard actual evidence. And defining decades of research and archaeological finds as gossip is unenlightened.

[Elijah]

hundreds of year and thousands of years prove human society to disregard actual evidence. Its not a remark that can be said without laughing. It is common knowledge. Our schools taught a lie that the Church told Columbus the Earth was flat when in fact the exact saize had been known for 1700 years.

[Elijah]

I am curious how DIMINISHED longevity is not as much an oxymoron as SHORT longevity. How can it be longevity if it is short, and how can it be dminished if it is longevity; how do you dminish longevity which is the concern of how much longer you live not how much shorter or diminished it is. I think the oxymoron is not in the ajective describing the noun but the fact that we create such nouns.... as longevity instead of lifespan. In fact GREAT longevity is double ajective since longevity is great and long, not short. But this is exactly what proves the bible has languages that have changed. Perhaps you can claim that the BIble doe snot change and has not changed, and you refuse to feel it has, but the languages of the world have changed including the languages used by the Bible. So keep the Bible the same, or the facts, or its truths BUT these Hebrews, Israelites, Jews and 3000 years of Greeks have never spoken the same, it changes every single generation for hundreds of them.