The fate of the Ark of the Covenant is mentioned in the Bible...

[Elijah]

First, How did God "tell" me of all people. The same exact way. I see that he tells all of us, and most do not listen, especially if they are religious and choose not to perceive this as God. I don't have to listen because this is science not God, is what they say, (?) we say. I cannot say that I have ever been YOUR way, or that way as the world is. Those who see science will say there is no God because they think their seeing and understanding is thus their own and not from God. While others, think whatever they know of God is true in what ever manner they wish to see it, by ignoring natural science.

But I am a liar, if I say the spirit does not tempt me to use this excuse of saying science is not God, as an excuse not to do what I see should be done. You're questioning the voice of the serpent. Do you not think decades ago I therefore had to also question that aspect. And indeed we have two answers. Spirits still do verbally talk. Witnesses of that declare it every day, so it does happen. But it is also possible the snake ate the fruit, and Eve saw it did not die that day. Thus controversy to her, tempting her to decide herself. As Jesus told Judas and others that he cannot choose who sits at his right hand, so too I must decline a definate on that voice of the serpent, the matter is 50/50 and still tells the same story, not a different accusation of serpent and Eve. The moral is not changed by it.

Yes you are so true. Moses admits he is a horrible narrator. Where do you think that his writing would be so clear if he was always confusing to listen to when conversing. Do you think he only had troubles being clear to Pharaoh (?) or only to all Egyptians (?) whom he was raised and taught by (?), or that Aaron understood his brother and had to re-explain things to Pharoah but not to Israelites for this man raised by Egyptians ?  Do you not see that being between two cultures makes you an issue to both cultures, not a friend and mediator. This shows up in your writing, as it does mine because the world said I was a JW, and the JWs make lying false accusation that I wish to be in the world or like the world. And when youre on a wall, perhaps lika a malado child, you get accused of isolating yourself by choice, or wanting to be alone, and instead both sides are pushing OUT of their circle or scene to force you alone, telling everyone not to be with you. So then you get accused of being a hermit by choice, desiring to be to yourself believing YOUR way, and you get accused of not fitting either side because you think your higher than either side or better than both sides. So tell me if a child half-black and half-white should be treated as lower than white, by whites, and lower than black, by blacks, and if he gets pushed out, the should he be accused of exalting himself and saying he as a mix is higher than both sides, a leader or merger. It is all games, the mixed child does not choose to be any of this, but it is the collectives who do this evil to the innocent, just as I was gay bashed since 9 because of the things my mother taught me are not homosexual such as cooking and sewing and crocheting and my brother the hairdresser who has been with the same guy for 35 years. Yet I am guilty too because I asked his own fiance' why is it he has friends that seem that way... actually recently I washed my hands of half that guilt, my brother had favored my sisters fit that she threw when a dispute came up about inside-outside of the material for bridesmaid dresses that each bridesmaids pay for.
And I am also guilty in that yesterday I had thought that I would have considered my perogative to have the people stone my own brother Aaron for making a calf and saying it walked out of the fire like that. Did it? Bible doesn't say whether it did or not? Do you give Satan this power to do that?  I dont. I see it as truth, damn Aaron is liar who should have been punished worse. But I must also say that the priesthood of Moses' son failed and Aaron's sons succeeded. So as many will say, they are glad this prophet Rick is not totally what Jehovah is. Learn by what I say here.
But I know YOU. You are looking to find something to hate of me again.

[Elijah]

Regarding the ark height. Interesting that 14.5 pounds of fresh water pressure (about 40 feet if 33 feet as salt water) on top of our atmosphere would not cover the top of the ark being 45 feet high. It's like another subliminal message, or voice of God. You must never forget that angels from heaven, out in space, between planets, above the water vapor canopy, said the Flood would not or could not occur. And yet it did. This means they looked at science in a different way than Noah looked at it.

300 years after kingship began at the birth of Enoch's son Methuselah, if Alulim is the one who killed Enoch when Enoch defied the new king Kichunna of Larsa 670 years (241,200 days) before the Flood; then they regarded their nuclear power to disassemble a single human body as an act of God or their power approved by God and given to them by God to do so in discipline. Noah would have to thus know and expect that his ark was a defiance to angels and likewise a total opposite faith than what angels on earth taught.

[notalent]

First, How did God "tell" me of all people. The same exact way. I see that he tells all of us, and most do not listen, especially if they are religious and choose not to perceive this as God. I don't have to listen because this is science not God, is what they say, (?) we say. I cannot say that I have ever been YOUR way, or that way as the world is. Those who see science will say there is no God because they think their seeing and understanding is thus their own and not from God. While others, think whatever they know of God is true in what ever manner they wish to see it, by ignoring natural science.

But I am a liar, if I say the spirit does not tempt me to use this excuse of saying science is not God, as an excuse not to do what I see should be done. You're questioning the voice of the serpent. Do you not think decades ago I therefore had to also question that aspect. And indeed we have two answers. Spirits still do verbally talk. Witnesses of that declare it every day, so it does happen. But it is also possible the snake ate the fruit, and Eve saw it did not die that day. Thus controversy to her, tempting her to decide herself.

So what scientific observation told her the fruit was desirable to open one's eyes and make one wise -- to make one like God, knowing good and evil?

[Elijah]

Physical Law (The archeological factor we regard as proof od God).
The concept that something can be as you want it, not as God wants it. To be as God wants it, doesnt mean that God controls, and that you have no will, nor freedom. God wants you to have that will and freedom, and yet you must recognize you cannot (are not capable of going beyond what God does). It is physical things of God that are used to do things whether it be a bullet or knife or to fly. The temptation was to make decisions the way God makes decisions, and to actually think that can be done without God having already made other madatory decisions for us. The question truly arises of whether she thought Adam made his own decisions like God does, or did Adam listen and do, making no decisions himself. Indeed she questioned whether Adam was God, or perhaps Adam was a helpless babe she could rise above. We are all capable of making decisions that others are not making if we feel a decision should be made. It's all a balance between physical law and mental spiritual perceptions. Our including God doesnt mean allow God a spot in our lives, it means recognize that God is always there and part of the decision and cannot be circumvented; if ignored we suffer. Even an evil man with intent of bad deeds with bad results must look at the physical laws to make these things happen; he cannot break the ropes and ties and binds of God. Yet they all wish to, don't they.

[notalent]

Physical Law (The archeological factor we regard as proof od God).
The concept that something can be as you want it, not as God wants it. To be as God wants it, doesnt mean that God controls, and that you have no will, nor freedom. God wants you to have that will and freedom, and yet you must recognize you cannot (are not capable of going beyond what God does). It is physical things of God that are used to do things whether it be a bullet or knife or to fly. The temptation was to make decisions the way God makes decisions, and to actually think that can be done without God having already made other madatory decisions for us. The question truly arises of whether she thought Adam made his own decisions like God does, or did Adam listen and do, making no decisions himself. Indeed she questioned whether Adam was God, or perhaps Adam was a helpless babe she could rise above. We are all capable of making decisions that others are not making if we feel a decision should be made. It's all a balance between physical law and mental spiritual perceptions. Our including God doesnt mean allow God a spot in our lives, it means recognize that God is always there and part of the decision and cannot be circumvented; if ignored we suffer. Even an evil man with intent of bad deeds with bad results must look at the physical laws to make these things happen; he cannot break the ropes and ties and binds of God. Yet they all wish to, don't they.

So, even though you admit God communicates directly at certain times, in this passage where it says, "And the LORD God commanded the man, saying...", you see a clear indication that this wasn't one of those times.  What markers in the narrative reveal this to be the case?

More importantly, why is it so important to you that this be the case in this passage?

[Elijah]

You assume I feel it must be. I am not making the distinction of which cases are and which are not. In fact contrary, I am warning anyone and others and all that they shouldnt decide that, because the method of hearing God is not as important as that of obeying what you hear, because if youre wrong, you CAN correct or atone before the bad end result comes.
     When Jesus clarifies that sin is not an act against God or Son but one against spirit, he is referring to repetition. This doesnt mean once is okay, it means what you do in bad motive spirit you will keep doing, but what you do in good spirit, if you are wrong, that good spirit will also change you when you see youre wrong and as you see it. Perfection is sticking to the learning process... doesnt mean no mistakes, it means you are perfect in being alert to what will be a mistake... or catch it as you do it.
What it says about the man and woman is not just one 24-hour day but rather refers to it changing them so that they were that way for 900 years until death. Mom was always seeing things dad could not, this included Abel the younger being just like her the younger, and the older Cain being wrong. However even Adam beleived that one because of the proof as Abel's lamb burned. However, Moses says the woman kept saying the man was wrong, yet wanted him when she had her physical needs be it sexual urge or please i wanna feel wanted and needed.

So too, the man blamed the woman all 900 years... we suffer from that. The world became the same family that the first two were, the first 12, the first 24, the first 30 people, etc. So I am not advocating explaining all things in other terms of God, but rather recognize the communcation scope is wider than religion is claiming. This is a shame when 99% of the time whatever people do they get these words that it must be their calling, or all things are done by God whatever you do, or what ever happens. THIS IS NOT COMMUNICATION by God to believe this theory or doctrine. It excuses all things, and makes everything as man's viewpoint, or his helplessness to change it, or expects us to change it in teh name of God. It is all risky unless you learn that to determine word of God each day as we experience takes prayer which ponders... is this the right thing, will this be of God for me to do this. It's 50-50 or irrelevent, or perhaps thats 33-33-33.
I am trying to educate, not make that decision for you, or for me, or for God. But I do stress that many men make no decisions and ought to, and many make decisions for others, and ought not to. Thus back to ark topic.... connections of all of it does not mean that I am swearing to a new doctrine that I beleive must be so... it is by faith, but not yet by fact. That's why I went to Ararat, and then not taking it to the limit is my failure if the truth was just thru the door and i chickened out to open it swearing I will die if I do. I am guilty as Adam is.

[Irishman]

The ark of covenant is called in Hebrew "Aron HaBrit"

What Noah built was Teibah - Hebrew world for a container.

Your namesake just got it wrong.  Put your BHS on the shelf.  Just read the bulletins with the latest info from the post-modern prophet Elijah.  He didn't need to understand Hebrew nuances to figure out they were talking about the same thing, because you know, in English, they are the same word.  English is all you need to know, Moshe.  Only luddites try to learn Hebrew and Greek to get closer to the meanings, even though that's really just counter-productive, since how it gets translated into English is what really counts.

You're kidding, right?

[Susan Burns]

I do not think Tebah translates to container. Here is what I think a tebah is;

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For some reason I cannot insert a picture.

[Elijah]

  He didn't need to understand Hebrew nuances to figure out they were talking about the same thing, because you know, in English, they are the same word.  English is all you need to know, Moshe.  Only luddites try to learn Hebrew and Greek to get closer to the meanings, even though that's really just counter-productive, since how it gets translated into English is what really counts.

I wonder why the Bible's Hebrew takes precedence to the Hitite (English) language of Turkey. If the land of Ararat became Hitites and eventually Anglo (English) where this ark exists, then how is it Shemetic words are held as greater and better by definition.

[notalent]

I wonder why the Bible's Hebrew takes precedence to the Hitite (English) language of Turkey. If the land of Ararat became Hitites and eventually Anglo (English) where this ark exists, then how is it Shemetic words are held as greater and better by definition.

Uh, because the Torah was written in Hebrew?  If we read it in Hebrew, then we don't need to translate anything, and so nothing is lost.

[Irishman]

This is why the DSS are so important. They give us the most accurate and earliest snapshot of ancient Hebrew, especially with regards to the Bible.

The Isaiah scroll shows very little was changed (and arguably, nothing substantive) from the time that the Scrolls were written until the MT was first compiled almost a thousand years later.

[Elijah]

Wait Wait Wait   how does looking at an English C and A and T and seeing that the letters haven't changed in 500 years then prove that this is a meowing cat and not a skunk (pole cat). Or as In China where the calendar year equates a rabbit and a cat as the same family due to skelatal structure and walking patterns.... yes baby  rabbits walk before they hop.... it is funny to see their butt up in the air.

My point is that no ancient text can tell you the definition of the word printed or the meaning of that word or even how it was pronounced. The fact that the letters have not changed, or (if the letters have changed) that the evolved letters have the same meaning to the word. Or simple fact during the 50 years of my life, the same words, spelled the same way, now are used as different meanings.

We have so many songs of the 1940s that encourage men and women to be gay. We now hear the word ho so often. And in my day you didnt say the word **** for although it was a female dog it referred to a slut, not to a griping nag.
If these are changes in 50 years to words that have not changed in spelling and are used in wrtings or texts that might easily be interpreted in belief that they have not changed at all.... then this is where people LEAVE God Jehovah because they think there are no changes.

It is like saying that zodiac Aries is still Gregorian March 22 when in fact God himself has moved it. Yes even if we add 13 days forward to Julian march 22, God Jehovah has moved Aries as 30 days forward. This is true with words too, they are not the same, though they are the same. It is within context of truth not some law of words called a dictionary. This is why Jesus was true and correct that even the Law of Moses was no longer the same. People change it, and even nature changes it... a sabbath or rest for land of the same crop doesnt need it when Jehovah shows you to crop rotate or plant clover; and pork as so many known ways to cure that it is not unclean. Quit calling unclean the things God has cleansed.... this doesnt mean die from disease now because God has started taking to heaven. So again, you grieve me because I see I should have stayed on Ararat to prove the texts that were left on the ark.
ELIJAH

[notalent]

Wait Wait Wait   how does looking at an English C and A and T and seeing that the letters haven't changed in 500 years then prove that this is a meowing cat and not a skunk (pole cat). Or as In China where the calendar year equates a rabbit and a cat as the same family due to skelatal structure and walking patterns.... yes baby  rabbits walk before they hop.... it is funny to see their butt up in the air.

My point is that no ancient text can tell you the definition of the word printed or the meaning of that word or even how it was pronounced. The fact that the letters have not changed, or (if the letters have changed) that the evolved letters have the same meaning to the word. Or simple fact during the 50 years of my life, the same words, spelled the same way, now are used as different meanings.

We have so many songs of the 1940s that encourage men and women to be gay. We now hear the word ho so often. And in my day you didnt say the word **** for although it was a female dog it referred to a slut, not to a griping nag.
If these are changes in 50 years to words that have not changed in spelling and are used in wrtings or texts that might easily be interpreted in belief that they have not changed at all.... then this is where people LEAVE God Jehovah because they think there are no changes.

It is like saying that zodiac Aries is still Gregorian March 22 when in fact God himself has moved it. Yes even if we add 13 days forward to Julian march 22, God Jehovah has moved Aries as 30 days forward. This is true with words too, they are not the same, though they are the same. It is within context of truth not some law of words called a dictionary. This is why Jesus was true and correct that even the Law of Moses was no longer the same. People change it, and even nature changes it... a sabbath or rest for land of the same crop doesnt need it when Jehovah shows you to crop rotate or plant clover; and pork as so many known ways to cure that it is not unclean. Quit calling unclean the things God has cleansed.... this doesnt mean die from disease now because God has started taking to heaven. So again, you grieve me because I see I should have stayed on Ararat to prove the texts that were left on the ark.
ELIJAH

But "aron" and "teibah" were written by the same author/editor around the same time.  The Hebrew of this period is of a piece.  So your argument doesn't apply.

[Elijah]

Perhaps the only difference is sealed or unsealed. Noah's ark was sealed, trapped, no where to go, no access, while baby Moses and the containers for texts are unsealed to go in and out of every day or month. Maybe thats the only difference is that one lid locks up an entraps or encases the container or preserves while the other container is for opening and closing and going in and out of. I am not grabbing at straws as if desperately trying to be right; I do know your soul, that you seek to make people publicly as you see them. Jehovah taught me that in 1983 when in prayer I ran to him because Kathy said the elders are going to watch me close to see if i take of the bread and wine because they think I have a sudden rise to glory in my head thinking I an one of the anointed 144,000 equal to the WatchTower. Jehovah then directed me to all the lies that they said of Nehemiah claiming he wanted to be king of Jerusalem, and in this way he showed me the lies in mens heart in which you too are very close to proving this your intent. Do not be the one to kill me. And stand with fear when you see me die at someone elses hand, and then the greater christ with bride is killed. Jehovah wipes the world clean for the mere excuse that good or bad they killed the only way to save the world, and so only the followers of that way lived. Do not be Salome, and do not be Judas... but do see and do know Judas when it happens.
This is YOUR sign for you.
ELIJAH

I see no reason why archeological methods stand holier than C14 methods so that they curve it with Arizona pines. And I see no reason why that marriage or collective with dating science techs then needs to be extended to force astral calendars to likewise kiss or bow to the archeologists. How dare anyone snub the calendars as if a created waste.
THIS APPAULS ME.

[notalent]

Perhaps the only difference is sealed or unsealed. Noah's ark was sealed, trapped, no where to go, no access, while baby Moses and the containers for texts are unsealed to go in and out of every day or month. Maybe thats the only difference is that one lid locks up an entraps or encases the container or preserves while the other container is for opening and closing and going in and out of. I am not grabbing at straws as if desperately trying to be right; I do know your soul, that you seek to make people publicly as you see them. Jehovah taught me that in 1983 when in prayer I ran to him because Kathy said the elders are going to watch me close to see if i take of the bread and wine because they think I have a sudden rise to glory in my head thinking I an one of the anointed 144,000 equal to the WatchTower.

I'm curious if these 144,000 know which Israelite tribe they're from.

Jehovah then directed me to all the lies that they said of Nehemiah claiming he wanted to be king of Jerusalem, and in this way he showed me the lies in mens heart in which you too are very close to proving this your intent.

The accuracy of this near accusation compares well with your ability to look ahead.  No offense, but that should be good news to you.

Do not be the one to kill me.

I would hope you'd resist the temptation of going nuclear.  I know that just because one seems paranoid that it doesn't mean nobody is out to get them.  But rest assured, I have invested very little of my own self-esteem in our discussions.  As far as I know, only you and me even read these posts, and nobody of any importance really cares.  I can detect no following in your rear view mirror, and I've never had a fan club. 

So feel free to just relax and correct my errors without fear of being machine-gunned in the street. 

And stand with fear when you see me die at someone elses hand, and then the greater christ with bride is killed.

I can only iterate that with every such word you write, more life is being pumped into your being.  You're batting average has yet to register a single data point.  And it's not like you're Paul, who was beaten, whipped within and inch of his life, twice, and thrown into prison numerous times.  As far as I can tell, you've never gotten anything worse than a traffic ticket, and the powers that be have steadfastly refused to persecute you (creditors don't count).

Jehovah wipes the world clean for the mere excuse that good or bad they killed the only way to save the world, and so only the followers of that way lived. Do not be Salome, and do not be Judas... but do see and do know Judas when it happens.
This is YOUR sign for you.
ELIJAH

Do see and do know that when on the dates you define come up on the calendar, nothing happens.
NOTALENT

I see no reason why archeological methods stand holier than C14 methods so that they curve it with Arizona pines. And I see no reason why that marriage or collective with dating science techs then needs to be extended to force astral calendars to likewise kiss or bow to the archeologists. How dare anyone snub the calendars as if a created waste.
THIS APPAULS ME.

C14 accuracy depends on a lot of variables, many of which we have yet to discover.  Calendars?  Well, you're the best I've seen at sorting them out.  But that hasn't resulted in successful forecasts.  And the Bible places little emphasis on people's need to calculate the day and the hour.  Getting the season right is all that's required, and We see the leaves turning and the wind out of the East.  So, we're keeping one eye on the sky, and the other on the path ahead.