chart

[Elijah]

chart

[Moses]

Very interesting.

I think how this information affects our understanding of the biblical account.
Is it in line with it?

What conclusion one can get from this info. Why its important to you?

I also think that there were local floods.

[Elijah]

Because when it comes to whether the fruit was a immediate toxin, or accumulating toxin, one that could be adapted to, or was a definate risk of guaranteed death, the issue was Adam felt he was God and that Eve must listen. Because she didnt listen, and he felt guilty he conceded to her, the perfect ability to learn and apply was lost. It was his excuse of why bother. This was then passed onto Cain who older than Abel felt it made him true and more knowing than Abel. Carry this down thru our day and we have the assigned authorities as greater and hating the new inventors, critical of them. Being such, they do as Moses said of the Satan speaking thru the snake whether an actual voice or thru its actions of eating the fruit, the deceptive words were connivingly posed as SO YOU ARE NOT ABLE TO EAT ANY FRUIT AT ALL?  I experience this everyday with posting that Adam was created in 4025 BC, the enemy will say my claim is thus sun moon stars galaxies all matter was created the same year. The enemy attempts to win by claiming you threatened to tear down the temple in 3 days.

Apply this to the Flood and the enemy says that when Everest was covered it was 6 miles of water. The enemy says that when Ararat was covered it was 3 miles of water. The enemy says these 3-6 miles of water is Creationist belief of water canopy thickness. The enemy doesnt allow reality to be applied because forcing you into mythology makes him win. Thus right now the issue are those who will say the Flood will not happen again based on a rainbow. They do not see in what aspect a rainbow speaks and promises, and in what aspect it does not nor can. The rainbow speaks of rain and water above; it does not control whether the land falls into the ocean for 5 months to rise in 7 months because the ground melts below us. A great example is that Noah was said to save all breathers of air so they dont drown. But whales are breathers who stay in water. He did not bring whales on the ark. This is not embellishing scripture nor being free to speak of God for him in any way we care to alter his words; no but it is reality as God speaks in realities, in science, true science. Thus the rain is not to be feared, it cannot rain 40 days, nor can it rain over the whole earth, nor can it rain 40 feet of water canopy. But God is going to re-create what has been missing for 4400 years to restore our preFlood chance at making paradise, and in doing so he strikes the earth with the rock again to put the water up there. In doing so the land again sinks for a year, but we have mountains to go to. This is why this is relevant, but both scientists being false and religions insisting God is as they say he is will both defy this and it thus sorts the survivors from the world that dies.
I am willing to die to prove this faith I have, knowing I will be dead and not know if I did my part until someone who wants me back alive will wake me up in the near future decades from now. (Ok i have a big mouth like Peter, I have come back from Ararat a second time and used the excuse of no permit and because i am one man not a team of 12 the damn guide wants $5000 and it isnt legal to go without one. I am telling you people you will have to do the illegal against martial law to survive armageddon and i cant do it myself. So I just still do not know where I am headed. But I do know a path like Jesus could have failed, and that God also can choose an alternative if it does. Sigh. Mosa dude, I need some of your usual encouragement here.)

[Elijah]

In consideration of the fact that land plunged down into the ocean during the Flood. This eliminates the negligence of those who should have seen that the vapor canopy cannot be 2 miles of water nor even 1 mile, which crushes life even when suspended from Day 1 (46,000 BC) for 43,630 years.

The canopy studies for the past 100 years has presumed many rings and layers all of water. This cannot be so, because water vapor will seek only one layer if separated from mixing with the air. Other layers may have fallen of carbon or other elements, this is concern in creation does not concern us regarding the Flood or threat by water.
But the fact that cycles of being struck by other falling canopies before the Flood then stresses the importance to recognize geology who says land has been plunged and submerged many times before with oceans every where.
This process would have occurred during days of creation with intent of bringing land mass up to dwell on. One cannot assume that a crust of global earth forms first and that then water will just come down condensing and fill valleys until they become oceans. The problem with this concept is that we assume the ocean floor is at the bottom because it is heavier than water. Rock being heavier than water and sinking to the bottom. Therefore it is understandable that water flows down the rock and around it. But what piles rock up high enough to be mountains. Are these mountains already higher than any ocean can ever be? The fact remains that if land is heavier then its weight and pressure can only be a certain height before weight will crush down into the mantle and push the mantle over to the oceans and under the oceans pushing the water up, up higher and over many mountains. Molten land seeks its own level just as much as water does. So what pushed any mountains up at all. The answer would be asteroid impact. But in doing so, the thin ocean floors will be pushed up before land mass mountains because it is easier to move and displace being fluid and being less dense andlighter. All this works in a process to smooth earth out, not give it height of land to dwell on. Thus a process must occur that makes the land mass sort of whipped up with air and light materials to make it less dense on the mantle than oceans are on the mantle. Only this will keep the land thicker and higher above water. Otherwise the thicker the land, the heavier it is, and it sinks into the mantle below water. For this reason, God rose and dropped and rose and dropped the land many times up to Day 3 or during day 3 to keep it above water. This is why the time scale can be divided to find out what the formula for potassium-argon is. Namely it seems to be that every year before the Flood seems to be coming up for us as 12.5 million years, or each day before the Flood as being 343,000 years.
CONTRAST TO C14 CASE
Now this is using a ratio method of which may not be c orrect in comparison to math proving that C-14 alteration did not create a ratio, but rather a ratio gap, meaning the ratio takes 50 years and spreds it 20,000 but then everything in C14 before the Flood then merely maintains the 20,000 year shift. The things 50,000 years ago misdate as 70,000 and the things 40,000 years ago misdate as 60,000, and 30,000 misdates as 50,000. Therefore, this ratio here of each year postassium-argon actually being 12.5 million is not following the same one time gap as C14. It is keeping a ratio from day 1 (46,000 BC) all the way to the Flood 2370 BC.
In either case it verifies that CREATIONISTS are wrong to say all the flood layers are the same Flood. Instead it proves that there were many floods of tectonic plunge with God's intent to create land mass that stays above water instead of its weight pushing into the mantle causing ocean to flow back over it. The angels before the Flood were wrong to say God is done. That is what Noah believed, that God is never done, things will always change because God will be what God will be, it is his choice to keep changing, and the things he makes never does change nor ever changes until he changes it. It is about Him not us. (Like it or not, do you dare say it is not love from him.)
Elijah

[Elijah]

This post of mine at BAS forum:
http://forum.bib-arch.org/ancient-israel/chart/msg5143/#new

Inspired by the WatchTower declaring Genesis is written to show that process was carried thru from day to day without finished for that day. The process accomplishing purpose and being good did not mean it was complete and had stopped ready for the next day.

http://watchtower.org/e/200609a/article_01.htm\

With that I suggest you go and check out the other TWO posts on mulitple floods that i have made at BAS to show that we had many global floods without any rain before Adam. And that the one of a 40-day rain of 40 feet of water (half inch per hour) does not stop the global flood we will have this year 2009.

== 7 day creation potassium-argon now deciphered in mathematical possibility ==

Using the formula of 12.5 million years is only 1000 years

C14 for year 2370 BC is 18,000 BC (=20,000 BP)
C14 for year 2371 BC is 18,001 BC (=20,001 BP)
potassium argon for year 2370 BC = 12,492 years
for 2380 BC = 124,920 years
for 2390 BC = 249,840 years
for 2400 BC = 374,760 years
for 2410 BC = 499,680 years
for 2420 BC = 624,600 years (only 50 years preFlood)
for 2470 BC = 1.25 million years
for 2490 BC = 1.5 million years
for 3090 BC = 2.75 million years
Adam died at 930 in 3096 BC =  C14: 23,096 BC
but in potassium argon his death appears as 2.8 million
for 1000 years back to 3370 BC = 12.5 million years
Adam was created in 4025 BC marked by babylon's king
Amizaduga with Venus as year 2400 in 1625 BC.
for 2000 years back to 4370 BC = C14: 24370 BC
but potassium argon as 25 million years
for 4000 years back to 6370 BC = C14: 26370 BC
but as potassium argon 50 million years
for 6000 years back to 8370 BC = C14: 28370 BC
but as potassium argon 75 million years

Thus the Coconino Sandstone created by a global Flood by asteroid impact sinking all continents under water for one year and so occurs about
23,370 BC (C14 dated as 43,370 BC) which is during Day 3
when this global Flood succeeded in retaining the boyancy of
all land plates so they stayed above water,
because potassium argon dates it as 260 million years.
Where there is no C14 they use potassium argon and where there is potassium argon they hope for C14. They do not correlate the two because C14 goes back to 70,000 years while potassium is used for millions of years. The gap is not easy to fill and so ignored. You cannot claim there is C14 and potassium in the same layers contradicting each other, and if so they have their explanation other than biblical.

Because potassium argon dates the Redwall Limestone as 340 million years it was formed by global flood by asteroid impact which plunged all continents under water for one year. It occurs about 29,370 BC (C14 dated as 49,370 BC)
during Day 2 which means it did not stay above water as the plates did once Day 3 arrived. This however then means it was already under water and the impact only dropped its elevation to raise it higher the next year but still under water. Does this mean the small plunge down and great uplift did not break ocean surface. It is possible it broke surface and resunk.

The Mauv limestone comes up dating by potassium argon as
500 million years old which means it came above water and dropped back under about year 44,370 -42,370 BC (C14 = 64,370 -62,370 BC) during Day 1.

This was preceded by the Tapeats Sandstone which misdates by potassium argon as 550 million years and thus is 46,370 BC (C14 = 66,370 BC) which is the first layer of Day 1 which began 46,000 BC and C14 dates as 66,000 BC.

Thus all layers of the grand canyon show a continuous tectonic rise and fall as previous numerous asteroids bombarded Earth to make the land rise and oceans fall not by making holes for oceans, but by creating layers of continent boyant enough to float on the mantle under the crust. So the land crust got thicker and built up while this thickness was also losing density and so staying above ocean basins with heavy dense thin crusted sea floors.

Creation wins / evolution loses.
Armageddon is here, this event occurs again.

http://forum.bib-arch.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=643.0;attach=603;image

Sonow I ask, is there an issue with saying that the Earth was one global ocean in 46,000 BC being carbon-14 dated by us as 66,000 BC and potassium argon dated as 550 million years? Genesis says nothing about how old the planet and sun are before Day 1. And this information has just saved you by showing the frequency of many global oceans on this planet and how only one of them was accompanied by rain.

That would be another topic with Day 2
39,000 -32,000 BC
C14 as  59,000 -52,000 BC
potassium-argon as 463 million to 375 million

while atmosphere divided humidity by rains
and evaporation, the more it rained, the more light reached the ocean creating warmer temps that assured the suspension of the floating vapor canopy cycle within the 40 feet which cycled the rotation of water dops and vapor and ice crystals above 52 miles atmosphere.
(Thus it is not absolute that rain did not exist until the condition arrived that only man /Adam 4025 BC experienced for 1655 years to 2370 BC.)

The conclusion is for you to take serious the warning to evacuate low elevation withn 7 days after asteroid impact.
ELIJAH

[Elijah]

When I did this chart to divide the grand canyon into 6 days I did not know the half-life of potassium 40 was 1.25 billion years. So because the fit holds at 1 year appearing like 12,500 years, it would mean the true half-life of potassium 40 could be 100,000 years.

Potassium-Argon half-life 100,000 years not 1.25 billion

this places the first global Flood (a rise out of the ocean and back
under in a single year)
at 46,000 BC where asteroid impact thinned the water canopy enough to
allow light on the ocean and thus start photosynthesis.

The Grand Canyon shows several global Floods building up continents
with boyant material to finally keep the land above water on Day 3
(32,000 -25,000 BC)
which potassium argon's 100,000 year half-life miscalculated as 1.25
billion years will date this span as 375 million to 312.5 million
years ago.

[Elijah]

http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/2005AGUFM.V41F1528L

We predict that pressure decreases the half-life ... of 40K by ~0.03% (~375 kyr) at 50 GPa

We predict that pressure decreases the half-life of potassium 40K (19 protons 21 neutrons) by ~0.03% (~375 kyr = 375,000 years) at 50 GPa (Giga Pascal units = 50 billion Pascal units). A Pascal unit is a newton per square meter.

sea level 14.696 pounds psi = 101,325 Pa
(some sources round it to a simple 100,000 Pa)
= 101.325 kPa
= 0.000101325 GPa
Compare this to the 50 GPa in the potassium formula.
Pressure of 50Gpa changes potassium half-life
to 1.25 billion years minus 375,000 years.
Indeed, any pressure seems to make little difference in the half-life to be concerned about.

What I am confused about is that living things already have potassium40 in them at different ages of decay before even being buried in sediments having postassium40. If the argon air can contaminate ancient samples, are not the samples already at variables amounts back then 100,000 years ago with different amounts of decay. Will not a bone have potassium40 in it different than the sediment, and what happens when these merge. So too with argon. Some one educate me. I am looking for what factors could reduce 1.25 billion years to 100,000 years.

If i eat a banana i am adding potassium to my body and not argon, just as the banana constructed itself with potassium and not argon. The change to argon is not going to happen too soon within the plant or our body. Yet that potassium 40 in us obviously is not the same level as in sediment trapped with argon. So we have air with argon (little potassium) and bodies with potassium with little argon, compared to rocks which have potassium (released argon), versus rocks with potassium and trapped argon. I dont wish to say experts are wrong, but it wouldnt be the first time a layman caught something. So I am sincerely looking for somthing to catch wrong, not for fault finding, but for truth discovery.

[Elijah]

http://www.answersincreation.org/blind.htm

The 5 samples with excessively old K-Ar (potassium argon)dates include a Hualalai basalt from Hawaii (K-Ar 'dates' of 1.05 and 1.19 million years; the basalt erupted in 1800-1801 AD),

two Mt. Etna basalts (a 'date' of 150,000 years for a sample that erupted in 1792 AD

and a K-Ar 'date' of 100,000 years for the other sample, which erupted in 122 BC),

a plagioclase from Mt. Lassen, California ('dated' at 130,000 years; erupted in 1915 AD),

and a basalt from Sunset Crater, Arizona ('dated' at 210,000 and 220,000 years; erupted in 1064-1065 AD).

These are corrupted samples and not the norm reading.

But Jehovah teaches us thru error, so there must be a ratio to this error. Why toss them out, and stick with only the good, when the error here may have a message other than to gripe potassium is not reliable.

1.05 and 1.19 million years =1800-1801 AD
-------
210,000 and 220,000 years = 1064-1065 AD
(89.4 years per year = 65,000 years for 727 years)
150,000 years =1792 AD
(162.6 years per year = 20,000 years for 123 years)
130,000 years =1915 AD
-------
100,000 years =122 BC