Archaeology Discovery about Joseph

[Moses]

From International Christian Embassy in Jerusalem News 9/25/09
http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/133601
 
'Joseph-era' coins found in Egypt
Ancient Egyptian coins inscribed with the name and image of the biblical figure Joseph have been discovered among a cache of coins locked in a storage vault in the Museum of Egypt in Cairo, according to the Al Ahram newspaper. Archeologists found the collection of some 500 coins amongst thousands of small artifacts stored in the Museum’s basement. They had been stored there decades ago on the assumption the artifacts were merely trinkets and charms. This discovery provides scientific evidence that the ancient Egyptians traded not just through barter, as previously claimed, but with coins as well. The time period in which the coins were minted matches when the Bible says the Hebrew boy Joseph was sold into slavery in Egypt only to rise to second-in-command under Pharaoh. The report said, "Joseph's name appears twice on this coin, written in hieroglyphs: once the original name, Joseph, and once his Egyptian name, Saba Sabani, which was given to him by Pharaoh when he became treasurer. There is also an image of Joseph, who was part of the Egyptian administration at the time.” One coin even depicts a fat cow in a reference to Joseph’s interpretation of Pharaoh’s dream signifying seven good and seven bad years.

[Sekhmet]

From International Christian Embassy in Jerusalem News 9/25/09
http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/133601
 
'Joseph-era' coins found in Egypt
Ancient Egyptian coins inscribed with the name and image of the biblical figure Joseph have been discovered among a cache of coins locked in a storage vault in the Museum of Egypt in Cairo, according to the Al Ahram newspaper. Archeologists found the collection of some 500 coins amongst thousands of small artifacts stored in the Museum’s basement. They had been stored there decades ago on the assumption the artifacts were merely trinkets and charms. This discovery provides scientific evidence that the ancient Egyptians traded not just through barter, as previously claimed, but with coins as well. The time period in which the coins were minted matches when the Bible says the Hebrew boy Joseph was sold into slavery in Egypt only to rise to second-in-command under Pharaoh. The report said, "Joseph's name appears twice on this coin, written in hieroglyphs: once the original name, Joseph, and once his Egyptian name, Saba Sabani, which was given to him by Pharaoh when he became treasurer. There is also an image of Joseph, who was part of the Egyptian administration at the time.” One coin even depicts a fat cow in a reference to Joseph’s interpretation of Pharaoh’s dream signifying seven good and seven bad years.

Hey Moses,  this is old news and was discussed a couple of days ago.  LOL  But thanks I needed another laugh about now.

[Glen Harris]

The identification of these coins provides decisive evidence that ancient Egyptians were in fact familiar with a monetary system—an assertion that some historians have refuted. Looking at some of the evidence posted on the web shows that some of the coins bear holes, which had lead the original discoverers of the objects to conclude that they were ornaments.

[Sekhmet]

Hello Mr. Harris with the persistant talk about the coins and Turanclancath clever solution to it the talk died down.  Your support of my friend Moses in this post encouraged me to look into this a bit more.  I posted originally at the below site. 

Welcome to the board and thank you for the new POV I have.

http://forum.bib-arch.org/exodusegypt/joseph-era-coins-found-in-egypt/

I am never one to deny the physical evidence in fact my chronology is dependent upon it. 

I congratulate Dr. Sa'id Thabet in his discovery.  Now it is up to the Supreme Council and other scholars to verify what Dr. Sa’id Thabet believes is true.

However, it does not mean that Joseph lived at that time.  The Middle Kingdom was interested in renewing ties with Palestine.  They were severely weaken since the collapse of the Old Kingdom and the slightly later collapse of the Syro-Palestinian area.  These Middle Kingdom Pharaohs were willing to extend a hand of peace to the growing might of the formerly escaped slaves now consolidating their hold on the land. 

We see this in the story of Sinuhe, “welcome home, wanderer” ending of the story.  We see it in the use of miracles for succession for the first time in Egyptian history. 

The problem arises when we see it in the Pharaoh Senuseret III campaign to Skmm identified as Shechem and the Execration Texts naming it as an enemy state.  (See Archaeology of the Land of the Bible -10,000-586 B.C.E. by Amihai Mazar chapter six.)  According to Prof. Mazar at Senuseret’s time it isn’t much of a threat, doesn’t even have walls!  Therefore, in the discovery in 1903 by those determined Germans for a great find!  They missed the real Shechem; I understand there are well over a thousand unexplored Early Bronze Age sites in Israel alone.  OR Egyptian chronology is off by some years here a possibility. 

Then I have the problem of that the stratification of Shechem does not match a Jacob and family in Shechem in the late 2nd dynasty.  This problem could be resolved if Senuseret III campaign had a Shechem worthy of a military campaign. 

Anyway I do sincerely congratulate Dr. Sa'id Thabet  on this find, and like the rest hope it proves again, the ancient scholars wrong in claiming things about Egypt and the Bible Lands.  I will however, await the trial by fire any new find goes through due to the history of fakery in the region.  Maybe that signet ring with the cartouches of Ay and Ankhesenamun will turn up again.

As noted above if the coinage is verified.  There are other reasons than Joseph living at time for its existence.  Imhotep went through a long period of deification in Ancient Egypt.  Face and name of the part Egyptian tribes’ father, on coinage during a period of re-establishing ties would be a help in that.

To all a good day.

[Moses]

From International Christian Embassy in Jerusalem News 9/25/09
http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/133601
 
'Joseph-era' coins found in Egypt
Ancient Egyptian coins inscribed with the name and image of the biblical figure Joseph have been discovered among a cache of coins locked in a storage vault in the Museum of Egypt in Cairo, according to the Al Ahram newspaper. Archeologists found the collection of some 500 coins amongst thousands of small artifacts stored in the Museum’s basement. They had been stored there decades ago on the assumption the artifacts were merely trinkets and charms. This discovery provides scientific evidence that the ancient Egyptians traded not just through barter, as previously claimed, but with coins as well. The time period in which the coins were minted matches when the Bible says the Hebrew boy Joseph was sold into slavery in Egypt only to rise to second-in-command under Pharaoh. The report said, "Joseph's name appears twice on this coin, written in hieroglyphs: once the original name, Joseph, and once his Egyptian name, Saba Sabani, which was given to him by Pharaoh when he became treasurer. There is also an image of Joseph, who was part of the Egyptian administration at the time.” One coin even depicts a fat cow in a reference to Joseph’s interpretation of Pharaoh’s dream signifying seven good and seven bad years.

Hey Moses,  this is old news and was discussed a couple of days ago.  LOL  But thanks I needed another laugh about now.

Could you point me to that discussion?
I can't find it here.

Thx

[Elijah]

Can coins be dated by physics.
Says Joseph (1767-1657 BC) died around 1450 BC.
Hmmm wow he died 1656 years before Jesus,
just like Adam to Flood. Means nothing.

[Moses]

Can coins be dated by physics.
Says Joseph (1767-1657 BC) died around 1450 BC.
Hmmm wow he died 1656 years before Jesus,
just like Adam to Flood. Means nothing.

WHat do you mean by means noting ? The dating.
I think the find of the coins has very serious meaning, it actually can be used to try and adjust the dating measurement skewing. The carbon or other methods are in my view good only for short periods of time going hundreds years back and not beyond.
Some researchers tried it on better known objects of antiquity and found out that Michael Angelo for example predated Adam :-) based on the carbon dating of some of his works. The same material in different spots provided error of 1000 years.

[Elijah]

Well i belief C-14 back to 2030 BC. I beleive it totally.
However, years then soar before that from reality.
But I do not believe in the adjustments made to that C14.
Did you know there is an adjustment chart for Egyptian and Mesopotamian history using the Arizona pine trees. Hmmm 8000 miles away.

The adjustments are made so that archeologists of Assyria win instead of the C14, crunching time as they wish, the same scrunching with Israeli scholars, and so with archeologists of Egyptian desire to push it back to 3000 BC, other 10,000 BC.

I worship the C14, not the Arizona pines, though worshipping Jehovah (true perspective) will put both the C14 god and the Arizona pine god in their place.
Understand now?
That's why I have success in finding astral calendar from astral myth. And I dont fix the Bible to the date, but rather I know my Bible and wow I find the astral date in the year already know, and the date just confirms it. Like I said, WatchTower chronology is 99.8% correct, and  the astral dates of astral myths confirm them, requiring the tree and its many branches of todays calendars be known all the way back to its stock and roots.

[Moses]

The fact the coins show Joseph name , usually coins depict rulers of that country.

So to me I don't care what C14 or any other system shows, what I care about is that the Biblical account of Joseph who was second to Pharaoh now has an archeological find that shows a ruler in Egypt by the Joseph.

[Elijah]

I totally agree. Its awesome, if true. The C14 question is one of curiosity not to deny its Joseph if some outrageous very young or very old year pops up, but just as added evidence if it falls during Jospeh's life 1767-1657 BC (110 years?).