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« on: Feb 23, 2010, 02:14 AM »

JERUSALEM – An Israeli archaeologist said Monday that ancient fortifications recently excavated in Jerusalem date back 3,000 years to the time of King Solomon and support the biblical narrative about the era.
If the age of the wall is correct, the finding would be an indication that Jerusalem was home to a strong central government that had the resources and manpower needed to build massive fortifications in the 10th century B.C.
That's a key point of dispute among scholars, because it would match the Bible's account that the Hebrew kings David and Solomon ruled from Jerusalem around that time.
While some Holy Land archaeologists support that version of history — including the archaeologist behind the dig, Eilat Mazar — others posit that David's monarchy was largely mythical and that there was no strong government to speak of in that era.
Speaking to reporters at the site Monday, Mazar, from the Hebrew University of Jerusalem, called her find "the most significant construction we have from First Temple days in Israel."
"It means that at that time, the 10th century, in Jerusalem there was a regime capable of carrying out such construction," she said.
Based on what she believes to be the age of the fortifications and their location, she suggested it was built by Solomon, David's son, and mentioned in the Book of Kings.
The fortifications, including a monumental gatehouse and a 77-yard (70-meter) long section of an ancient wall, are located just outside the present-day walls of Jerusalem's Old City, next to the holy compound known to Jews as the Temple Mount and to Muslims as the Noble Sanctuary. According to the Old Testament, it was Solomon who built the first Jewish Temple on the site.
That temple was destroyed by Babylonians, rebuilt, renovated by King Herod 2,000 years ago and then destroyed again by Roman legions in 70 A.D. The compound now houses two important Islamic buildings, the golden-capped Dome of the Rock and the Al-Aqsa mosque.
Archaeologists have excavated the fortifications in the past, first in the 1860s and most recently in the 1980s. But Mazar claimed her dig was the first complete excavation and the first to turn up strong evidence for the wall's age: a large number of pottery shards, which archaeologists often use to figure out the age of findings.
Aren Maeir, an archaeology professor at Bar Ilan University near Tel Aviv, said he has yet to see evidence that the fortifications are as old as Mazar claims. There are remains from the 10th century in Jerusalem, he said, but proof of a strong, centralized kingdom at that time remains "tenuous."
While some see the biblical account of the kingdom of David and Solomon as accurate and others reject it entirely, Maeir said the truth was likely somewhere in the middle.
"There's a kernel of historicity in the story of the kingdom of David," he said.
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« Reply #1 on: Feb 23, 2010, 11:57 AM »

Does anyone know how long it will take to peer review this and get info back?  I know this may vary but since this is a high profile case, quite a few people should be looking into it.

That is one thing about the news, they don't tell you when these things can or will be verified or what it would take to prove the case.

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« Reply #2 on: Feb 24, 2010, 02:11 PM »

Peer review means nothing and is as corrupt and biased as the historical dating systems.
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« Reply #3 on: Feb 24, 2010, 08:33 PM »

Peer review means nothing and is as corrupt and biased as the historical dating systems.

If Adam had cut down the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, how many annual rings would he have counted?
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« Reply #4 on: Feb 25, 2010, 12:23 AM »

Peer review means nothing and is as corrupt and biased as the historical dating systems.

If Adam had cut down the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, how many annual rings would he have counted?

do you think the tree have been there for years? what i believe is that the creation is only done in a week, with Adam to be created on the sixth day. The other things such as the trees have been created just few days before Adam was created.
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« Reply #5 on: Feb 25, 2010, 01:39 AM »


If Adam had cut down the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, how many annual rings would he have counted?

Who cares? That is a wasted question because we will never know the answer nor prove it so in this lifetime. Suffice it to say that it had all the rings it needed when God created it.
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« Reply #6 on: Feb 25, 2010, 10:33 AM »


If Adam had cut down the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, how many annual rings would he have counted?

Who cares? That is a wasted question because we will never know the answer nor prove it so in this lifetime. Suffice it to say that it had all the rings it needed when God created it.

Are you suggesting God would deceive the people of the antediluvian civilization with bogus numbers of annual rings?  IOW, evidence tampering?
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« Reply #7 on: Feb 25, 2010, 02:08 PM »

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Are you suggesting God would deceive the people of the antediluvian civilization with bogus numbers of annual rings?  IOW, evidence tampering?

Here we have a classic example of the northernlocation supporters greatest asset--reading into what people have written.

I mentioned nor referred to no such thing yet here we have someone twisting the words of another poster in a futile attempt to sully their reputation. How low will the NLT supporters go, only time will tell.
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« Reply #8 on: Feb 25, 2010, 02:20 PM »

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Are you suggesting God would deceive the people of the antediluvian civilization with bogus numbers of annual rings?  IOW, evidence tampering?

Here we have a classic example of the northernlocation supporters greatest asset--reading into what people have written.

I mentioned nor referred to no such thing yet here we have someone twisting the words of another poster in a futile attempt to sully their reputation. How low will the NLT supporters go, only time will tell.

All you had to do was just say "no".   Instead you used the opportunity to try and "sully the reputation" of others.

Tsk, tsk, tsk.

Here's another simple question.  In your opinion, how old was the earth when Adam was created?
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« Reply #9 on: Feb 26, 2010, 01:14 PM »

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All you had to do was just say "no".   Instead you used the opportunity to try and "sully the reputation" of others.

I didn't do anything but use your post as an example of what is wrong with the NLT supporters.

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In your opinion, how old was the earth when Adam was created?

Do not care, as the age of the earth is not important but let me provide you with an example.

How old is a table when you make it?  Well if you are talking about construction it is very young but the materials used are and can be very old depending on how long the tree lived before being cut down and turned into table material.

In other words if one dates the wood of the table they would come to the conclusion it must be very old because the age of the wood was old when it was used to make a table but the table is new and not very old when you bring it to your dingin room.

One does not uses a sapling to make a table and then let it sit till it grows into a mature table. Thus the earth may appear to be old because God created it to be ready for the rest of His creative desires but still be young because it was recently made.

So one does not focus on the age of the earth for it can be misleading,one focuses on God and His power and give Him glory for His act.
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« Reply #10 on: Feb 27, 2010, 05:01 AM »

The forbidden tree in the garden was one of he sons of God.
Some call them Archangels.


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« Reply #11 on: Jun 12, 2010, 05:12 AM »

How old was Adam when G_d created him?
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« Reply #12 on: Jul 11, 2010, 04:48 PM »

According to all the movies I've ever seen, Adam was created as a fully mature adult. 

And was blond.   ;D
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